Q:Right-Lock lockers
 

I'm owner of a Suzuki samurai. It has a rear 100% manual operating
locker. I'm wondering if I put Detroit Right Lock front locker, how will
this affect on cornering on pavement roads, and slippery surfaces like mud
and ice when all four wheels are in drive, and will this be a problem if it
is in rear wheel drive and with locked hubs in front. I'm using this car as
a daily driver.

Is the locker in the rear a cable operated locker?
To answer the other questions....when operating lockers on pavement, the
vehicle will "grab" during turning....while in mud and snow, ALL four wheels
will be driving the vehicle....making it VERY stable and very good to drive
Cheers Willie
"Zenteren" > wrote in message
...
> I'm owner of a Suzuki samurai. It has a rear 100% manual operating
> locker. I'm wondering if I put Detroit Right Lock front locker, how will
> this affect on cornering on pavement roads, and slippery surfaces like mud
> and ice when all four wheels are in drive, and will this be a problem if
it
> is in rear wheel drive and with locked hubs in front. I'm using this car
as
> a daily driver.
>
>

Is the locker in the rear a cable operated locker?
To answer the other questions....when operating lockers on pavement, the
vehicle will "grab" during turning....while in mud and snow, ALL four wheels
will be driving the vehicle....making it VERY stable and very good to drive
Cheers Willie
"Zenteren" > wrote in message
...
> I'm owner of a Suzuki samurai. It has a rear 100% manual operating
> locker. I'm wondering if I put Detroit Right Lock front locker, how will
> this affect on cornering on pavement roads, and slippery surfaces like mud
> and ice when all four wheels are in drive, and will this be a problem if
it
> is in rear wheel drive and with locked hubs in front. I'm using this car
as
> a daily driver.
>
>

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:26:39 -0800, "willie" >
wrote:

>:|Is the locker in the rear a cable operated locker?
>:|To answer the other questions....when operating lockers on pavement, the
>:|vehicle will "grab" during turning....while in mud and snow, ALL four wheels
>:|will be driving the vehicle....making it VERY stable and very good to drive
>:|Cheers Willie

if you call weaving caused by a rear locker locking and unlocking with
power application on sweeping turns, the rear completely breaking
loose and turning the vehicle sideways (instead of just a wheel
spinning) and the front end plowing due to a front locker stable...
than you've got a much different definition of stability than I.


Zenteren,

any auto locker in the front will cause the front to plow in turns as
a locker powers the slower moving inside wheel over the outer, faster
rotating wheel with an open diff. I think you'll be sorely
disappointed in the driveability problems caused by a front auto
locker.

as I always tell my wife, it's a hell of alot more important to be
able to steer, than it is to go.

-Bret


>:|"Zenteren" > wrote in message
...
>:|> I'm owner of a Suzuki samurai. It has a rear 100% manual operating
>:|> locker. I'm wondering if I put Detroit Right Lock front locker, how will
>:|> this affect on cornering on pavement roads, and slippery surfaces like mud
>:|> and ice when all four wheels are in drive, and will this be a problem if
>:|it
>:|> is in rear wheel drive and with locked hubs in front. I'm using this car
>:|as
>:|> a daily driver.
>:|>
>:|>
>:|

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:26:39 -0800, "willie" >
wrote:

>:|Is the locker in the rear a cable operated locker?
>:|To answer the other questions....when operating lockers on pavement, the
>:|vehicle will "grab" during turning....while in mud and snow, ALL four wheels
>:|will be driving the vehicle....making it VERY stable and very good to drive
>:|Cheers Willie

if you call weaving caused by a rear locker locking and unlocking with
power application on sweeping turns, the rear completely breaking
loose and turning the vehicle sideways (instead of just a wheel
spinning) and the front end plowing due to a front locker stable...
than you've got a much different definition of stability than I.


Zenteren,

any auto locker in the front will cause the front to plow in turns as
a locker powers the slower moving inside wheel over the outer, faster
rotating wheel with an open diff. I think you'll be sorely
disappointed in the driveability problems caused by a front auto
locker.

as I always tell my wife, it's a hell of alot more important to be
able to steer, than it is to go.

-Bret


>:|"Zenteren" > wrote in message
...
>:|> I'm owner of a Suzuki samurai. It has a rear 100% manual operating
>:|> locker. I'm wondering if I put Detroit Right Lock front locker, how will
>:|> this affect on cornering on pavement roads, and slippery surfaces like mud
>:|> and ice when all four wheels are in drive, and will this be a problem if
>:|it
>:|> is in rear wheel drive and with locked hubs in front. I'm using this car
>:|as
>:|> a daily driver.
>:|>
>:|>
>:|

OK. If I understand it clearly, the automatic locker in the front will not
disconnect while making turn like the rear one do???



"Bret Chase" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:26:39 -0800, "willie" >
> wrote:
>
> >:|Is the locker in the rear a cable operated locker?
> >:|To answer the other questions....when operating lockers on pavement,
the
> >:|vehicle will "grab" during turning....while in mud and snow, ALL four
wheels
> >:|will be driving the vehicle....making it VERY stable and very good to
drive
> >:|Cheers Willie
>
> if you call weaving caused by a rear locker locking and unlocking with
> power application on sweeping turns, the rear completely breaking
> loose and turning the vehicle sideways (instead of just a wheel
> spinning) and the front end plowing due to a front locker stable...
> than you've got a much different definition of stability than I.
>
>
> Zenteren,
>
> any auto locker in the front will cause the front to plow in turns as
> a locker powers the slower moving inside wheel over the outer, faster
> rotating wheel with an open diff. I think you'll be sorely
> disappointed in the driveability problems caused by a front auto
> locker.
>
> as I always tell my wife, it's a hell of alot more important to be
> able to steer, than it is to go.
>
> -Bret
>
>
> >:|"Zenteren" > wrote in message
> ...
> >:|> I'm owner of a Suzuki samurai. It has a rear 100% manual
operating
> >:|> locker. I'm wondering if I put Detroit Right Lock front locker, how
will
> >:|> this affect on cornering on pavement roads, and slippery surfaces
like mud
> >:|> and ice when all four wheels are in drive, and will this be a problem
if
> >:|it
> >:|> is in rear wheel drive and with locked hubs in front. I'm using this
car
> >:|as
> >:|> a daily driver.
> >:|>
> >:|>
> >:|
>

OK. If I understand it clearly, the automatic locker in the front will not
disconnect while making turn like the rear one do???



"Bret Chase" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:26:39 -0800, "willie" >
> wrote:
>
> >:|Is the locker in the rear a cable operated locker?
> >:|To answer the other questions....when operating lockers on pavement,
the
> >:|vehicle will "grab" during turning....while in mud and snow, ALL four
wheels
> >:|will be driving the vehicle....making it VERY stable and very good to
drive
> >:|Cheers Willie
>
> if you call weaving caused by a rear locker locking and unlocking with
> power application on sweeping turns, the rear completely breaking
> loose and turning the vehicle sideways (instead of just a wheel
> spinning) and the front end plowing due to a front locker stable...
> than you've got a much different definition of stability than I.
>
>
> Zenteren,
>
> any auto locker in the front will cause the front to plow in turns as
> a locker powers the slower moving inside wheel over the outer, faster
> rotating wheel with an open diff. I think you'll be sorely
> disappointed in the driveability problems caused by a front auto
> locker.
>
> as I always tell my wife, it's a hell of alot more important to be
> able to steer, than it is to go.
>
> -Bret
>
>
> >:|"Zenteren" > wrote in message
> ...
> >:|> I'm owner of a Suzuki samurai. It has a rear 100% manual
operating
> >:|> locker. I'm wondering if I put Detroit Right Lock front locker, how
will
> >:|> this affect on cornering on pavement roads, and slippery surfaces
like mud
> >:|> and ice when all four wheels are in drive, and will this be a problem
if
> >:|it
> >:|> is in rear wheel drive and with locked hubs in front. I'm using this
car
> >:|as
> >:|> a daily driver.
> >:|>
> >:|>
> >:|
>

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:48:53 +0100, "Zenteren"
> wrote:

>:|OK. If I understand it clearly, the automatic locker in the front will not
>:|disconnect while making turn like the rear one do???
>:|
>:|


an auto locker works by letting one wheel overrun the other. by doing
this, the slower moving tire is the one that is recieving the engine's
power, causing some very significant understeer.

with an open differential, the torque is split 50/50 until a wheel
looses traction, then the spinning wheel recieves 100% of the torque.
this leaves the other wheel to track along and maintain lateral
stability.

*I* would only consider putting in a front auto locker in a vehicle
that was trail only....they make for some sometimes unpredictable
handling.

-Bret
>:|"Bret Chase" > wrote in message
...
>:|> On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:26:39 -0800, "willie" >
>:|> wrote:
>:|>
>:|> >:|Is the locker in the rear a cable operated locker?
>:|> >:|To answer the other questions....when operating lockers on pavement,
>:|the
>:|> >:|vehicle will "grab" during turning....while in mud and snow, ALL four
>:|wheels
>:|> >:|will be driving the vehicle....making it VERY stable and very good to
>:|drive
>:|> >:|Cheers Willie
>:|>
>:|> if you call weaving caused by a rear locker locking and unlocking with
>:|> power application on sweeping turns, the rear completely breaking
>:|> loose and turning the vehicle sideways (instead of just a wheel
>:|> spinning) and the front end plowing due to a front locker stable...
>:|> than you've got a much different definition of stability than I.
>:|>
>:|>
>:|> Zenteren,
>:|>
>:|> any auto locker in the front will cause the front to plow in turns as
>:|> a locker powers the slower moving inside wheel over the outer, faster
>:|> rotating wheel with an open diff. I think you'll be sorely
>:|> disappointed in the driveability problems caused by a front auto
>:|> locker.
>:|>
>:|> as I always tell my wife, it's a hell of alot more important to be
>:|> able to steer, than it is to go.
>:|>
>:|> -Bret
>:|>
>:|>
>:|> >:|"Zenteren" > wrote in message
>:|> ...
>:|> >:|> I'm owner of a Suzuki samurai. It has a rear 100% manual
>:|operating
>:|> >:|> locker. I'm wondering if I put Detroit Right Lock front locker, how
>:|will
>:|> >:|> this affect on cornering on pavement roads, and slippery surfaces
>:|like mud
>:|> >:|> and ice when all four wheels are in drive, and will this be a problem
>:|if
>:|> >:|it
>:|> >:|> is in rear wheel drive and with locked hubs in front. I'm using this
>:|car
>:|> >:|as
>:|> >:|> a daily driver.
>:|> >:|>
>:|> >:|>
>:|> >:|
>:|>
>:|

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:48:53 +0100, "Zenteren"
> wrote:

>:|OK. If I understand it clearly, the automatic locker in the front will not
>:|disconnect while making turn like the rear one do???
>:|
>:|


an auto locker works by letting one wheel overrun the other. by doing
this, the slower moving tire is the one that is recieving the engine's
power, causing some very significant understeer.

with an open differential, the torque is split 50/50 until a wheel
looses traction, then the spinning wheel recieves 100% of the torque.
this leaves the other wheel to track along and maintain lateral
stability.

*I* would only consider putting in a front auto locker in a vehicle
that was trail only....they make for some sometimes unpredictable
handling.

-Bret
>:|"Bret Chase" > wrote in message
...
>:|> On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:26:39 -0800, "willie" >
>:|> wrote:
>:|>
>:|> >:|Is the locker in the rear a cable operated locker?
>:|> >:|To answer the other questions....when operating lockers on pavement,
>:|the
>:|> >:|vehicle will "grab" during turning....while in mud and snow, ALL four
>:|wheels
>:|> >:|will be driving the vehicle....making it VERY stable and very good to
>:|drive
>:|> >:|Cheers Willie
>:|>
>:|> if you call weaving caused by a rear locker locking and unlocking with
>:|> power application on sweeping turns, the rear completely breaking
>:|> loose and turning the vehicle sideways (instead of just a wheel
>:|> spinning) and the front end plowing due to a front locker stable...
>:|> than you've got a much different definition of stability than I.
>:|>
>:|>
>:|> Zenteren,
>:|>
>:|> any auto locker in the front will cause the front to plow in turns as
>:|> a locker powers the slower moving inside wheel over the outer, faster
>:|> rotating wheel with an open diff. I think you'll be sorely
>:|> disappointed in the driveability problems caused by a front auto
>:|> locker.
>:|>
>:|> as I always tell my wife, it's a hell of alot more important to be
>:|> able to steer, than it is to go.
>:|>
>:|> -Bret
>:|>
>:|>
>:|> >:|"Zenteren" > wrote in message
>:|> ...
>:|> >:|> I'm owner of a Suzuki samurai. It has a rear 100% manual
>:|operating
>:|> >:|> locker. I'm wondering if I put Detroit Right Lock front locker, how
>:|will
>:|> >:|> this affect on cornering on pavement roads, and slippery surfaces
>:|like mud
>:|> >:|> and ice when all four wheels are in drive, and will this be a problem
>:|if
>:|> >:|it
>:|> >:|> is in rear wheel drive and with locked hubs in front. I'm using this
>:|car
>:|> >:|as
>:|> >:|> a daily driver.
>:|> >:|>
>:|> >:|>
>:|> >:|
>:|>
>:|

In fact my car is a trail only machine, and works in mud and loose ground,
never on the rocks. The only distance I drive on the street is to get to the
trail.
I often drive in the forest and long hills with lot's of sharp corners where
you don't won't to loose speed or get out of the track, and the worst thing
that could happen is that I don't won't to get out of the car to disconnect
front hubs to pass the corner cause automatic locker will engage in corner.
I asked more than 20 people via e-mail and I received 20 different answers.
Some of them were telling me that they are driving better in muddy corners
with front auto locker, and others are telling that they cannot imagine to
drive through muddy corners with front auto locker.
I have friend who has a rear auto locker in Suzuki and while passing corners
on road diff sounds like "click-click....click" because he disconnects if
there is any speed limits in wheel travel, but when one wheel loose traction
the torque is transmitted through the locker 50% on each wheel.
I don't see any difference why front locker shouldn't act like the rear one.




"Bret Chase" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:48:53 +0100, "Zenteren"
> > wrote:
>
> >:|OK. If I understand it clearly, the automatic locker in the front will
not
> >:|disconnect while making turn like the rear one do???
> >:|
> >:|
>
>
> an auto locker works by letting one wheel overrun the other. by doing
> this, the slower moving tire is the one that is recieving the engine's
> power, causing some very significant understeer.
>
> with an open differential, the torque is split 50/50 until a wheel
> looses traction, then the spinning wheel recieves 100% of the torque.
> this leaves the other wheel to track along and maintain lateral
> stability.
>
> *I* would only consider putting in a front auto locker in a vehicle
> that was trail only....they make for some sometimes unpredictable
> handling.
>
> -Bret
> >:|"Bret Chase" > wrote in message
> ...
> >:|> On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:26:39 -0800, "willie" >
> >:|> wrote:
> >:|>
> >:|> >:|Is the locker in the rear a cable operated locker?
> >:|> >:|To answer the other questions....when operating lockers on
pavement,
> >:|the
> >:|> >:|vehicle will "grab" during turning....while in mud and snow, ALL
four
> >:|wheels
> >:|> >:|will be driving the vehicle....making it VERY stable and very good
to
> >:|drive
> >:|> >:|Cheers Willie
> >:|>
> >:|> if you call weaving caused by a rear locker locking and unlocking
with
> >:|> power application on sweeping turns, the rear completely breaking
> >:|> loose and turning the vehicle sideways (instead of just a wheel
> >:|> spinning) and the front end plowing due to a front locker stable...
> >:|> than you've got a much different definition of stability than I.
> >:|>
> >:|>
> >:|> Zenteren,
> >:|>
> >:|> any auto locker in the front will cause the front to plow in turns as
> >:|> a locker powers the slower moving inside wheel over the outer, faster
> >:|> rotating wheel with an open diff. I think you'll be sorely
> >:|> disappointed in the driveability problems caused by a front auto
> >:|> locker.
> >:|>
> >:|> as I always tell my wife, it's a hell of alot more important to be
> >:|> able to steer, than it is to go.
> >:|>
> >:|> -Bret
> >:|>
> >:|>
> >:|> >:|"Zenteren" > wrote in message
> >:|> ...
> >:|> >:|> I'm owner of a Suzuki samurai. It has a rear 100% manual
> >:|operating
> >:|> >:|> locker. I'm wondering if I put Detroit Right Lock front locker,
how
> >:|will
> >:|> >:|> this affect on cornering on pavement roads, and slippery
surfaces
> >:|like mud
> >:|> >:|> and ice when all four wheels are in drive, and will this be a
problem
> >:|if
> >:|> >:|it
> >:|> >:|> is in rear wheel drive and with locked hubs in front. I'm using
this
> >:|car
> >:|> >:|as
> >:|> >:|> a daily driver.
> >:|> >:|>
> >:|> >:|>
> >:|> >:|
> >:|>
> >:|
>