Crush Washer

"Burt Squareman" > wrote in
m:

> "Paul" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
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>> The all-metal kind you can get from the dealer work OK too.
>
> Never heard of all-metal kind.
>
>
>


That's all you can get in Canada from the dealer.

Doesn't matter one whit whether there's rubber in the washer or not.
Successful sealing is quite independent of the materials used.

--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

On 12 Oct 2005 13:05:29 -0700, "butch burton" >
wrote:

>I used the same one on a honda for 15 years and 200K miles - almost no
>drips. Only have 8 years and 190K on the current crush washer - expect
>to get at least 250K out of this one.

Ditto. I've used the original on my 90 accord. Estimate 50 oil
changes. Carport floor is still clean as a whistle.

Frank

Thanks everyone for the input.

wrote:
> Thanks everyone for the input.
>

Has anyone tried the Fram Sure Drain?
It replaces the drain plug with a one way
valve. You remove the cap, & attach a
drain hose. Drain the oil right into an
empty jug.

Mike Doyle wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone for the input.
>>
>
> Has anyone tried the Fram Sure Drain?
> It replaces the drain plug with a one way
> valve. You remove the cap, & attach a
> drain hose. Drain the oil right into an
> empty jug.

i wouldn't. just another point for potential failure. it gets real
expensive to dump your oil on the freeway 2 hours from civilization.

jim beam wrote:
> Mike Doyle wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks everyone for the input.
>>>
>>
>> Has anyone tried the Fram Sure Drain?
>> It replaces the drain plug with a one way
>> valve. You remove the cap, & attach a
>> drain hose. Drain the oil right into an
>> empty jug.
>
>
> i wouldn't. just another point for potential failure. it gets real
> expensive to dump your oil on the freeway 2 hours from civilization.
>


I don't see why this would be more likely to fail than the drain plug.
I've run one for over a year in a Chevy truck with no problems, &
put one on my 94 VX when I bought it. So far, no problems, no
crush washers.

YMMV

Mike Doyle wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>
>> Mike Doyle wrote:
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks everyone for the input.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Has anyone tried the Fram Sure Drain?
>>> It replaces the drain plug with a one way
>>> valve. You remove the cap, & attach a
>>> drain hose. Drain the oil right into an
>>> empty jug.
>>
>>
>>
>> i wouldn't. just another point for potential failure. it gets real
>> expensive to dump your oil on the freeway 2 hours from civilization.
>>
>
>
> I don't see why this would be more likely to fail than the drain plug.
> I've run one for over a year in a Chevy truck with no problems, &
> put one on my 94 VX when I bought it. So far, no problems, no
> crush washers.
>
> YMMV

mike, /you/ can do whatever you want. /i/ wouldn't use it. with a
standard plug, you only have the threads and washer to fail. and those
are pretty reliable. with a drain attachment as you describe, you have
the thread, the washer, the valve mechanism, the valve seal and an
unproven material. /you/ may be happy with this on your vehicle, but it
is unarguably a significant increase in points of potential failure!

"Mike Doyle" > wrote in message ...

> I don't see why this would be more likely to fail than the drain plug.
> I've run one for over a year in a Chevy truck with no problems, &
> put one on my 94 VX when I bought it. So far, no problems, no
> crush washers.

I don't know how many times I've driven over uneven road surfaces,
curbs or debris on the freeway. This is a failure waiting to happen
if Fram Sure Drain is protruding like this image:

http://www.motorcities.com/photo/vie...38026C.jpeg/0/

The Fram Sure Drain is spring loaded (see image at bottom) with
a tightness of about 5-8 lbs then why would Honda specify 28-30
lb for a nut and washer?

This device also uses an o-ring which can age over time. There are
no o-rings comparable to Honda genuine o-rings. This device also
has a small opening, probably in conjunction with a spring,
could prevent large debris such as crud from fully draining which
could wreck the motor.

Overall, Honda's oil pan nut is one solid object with large openings
that is designed well, practical and predictable.

http://rustysoffroad.com/media/fram/...redrain_05.jpg

The oil drain plug is a simple easy to get to and use device. The only thing
I would consider putting a valve in is my boat motor. That plug is
impossible to get to and I have to vacuum the oil out through the dipstick
in order to change it.
KH


"Burt S." > wrote in message
...
> "Mike Doyle" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I don't see why this would be more likely to fail than the drain plug.
>> I've run one for over a year in a Chevy truck with no problems, &
>> put one on my 94 VX when I bought it. So far, no problems, no
>> crush washers.
>
> I don't know how many times I've driven over uneven road surfaces,
> curbs or debris on the freeway. This is a failure waiting to happen
> if Fram Sure Drain is protruding like this image:
>
> http://www.motorcities.com/photo/vie...38026C.jpeg/0/
>
> The Fram Sure Drain is spring loaded (see image at bottom) with
> a tightness of about 5-8 lbs then why would Honda specify 28-30
> lb for a nut and washer?
>
> This device also uses an o-ring which can age over time. There are
> no o-rings comparable to Honda genuine o-rings. This device also
> has a small opening, probably in conjunction with a spring,
> could prevent large debris such as crud from fully draining which
> could wreck the motor.
>
> Overall, Honda's oil pan nut is one solid object with large openings
> that is designed well, practical and predictable.
>
> http://rustysoffroad.com/media/fram/...redrain_05.jpg
>
>

"This is a failure waiting to happen
if Fram Sure Drain is protruding like this image"

Someone has a web site in which they have disassembled every major
brands oil filters and revealed how these things are put together.
ALso on that site are comments by former people who worked for Fram
before being bought out by allied signal. If their "valve" is anything
like what they have done to oil filters - RUN.