So what should be the penalty for speeding?

Brent P > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Magnulus wrote:
> > Collision at 75 vs. 55 mph has alot more energy behind it= a higher
risk
> > of injury/death. Much higher.
>
> Only IN a crash. However, the higher speed limit when more appropiate for
> the road will PREVENT the crashes in the first place.

Which explains why there are more crashes on a highway than on my street
where the limit is twenty, right?

This persistent notion that crashes are caused largely by different speeds
is absurd.

Magnulus wrote:

> Collision at 75 vs. 55 mph has alot more energy behind it= a higher risk
> of injury/death. Much higher.
>

How often do you wreck?

> Speeding should be cracked down on. Most people are not that great
> drivers, and almost half of them are driving vehicles that are prone to poor
> breaking and poor traction on pavement- SUV's and trucks.
>

This is true, but the general public has still decided that the speeds
at which they drive have an acceptable risk level. It's not the
government's job to protect people from themselves. If people want to
be safer, there's no law prohibiting them from driving safer vehicles,
or driving slower than the speed limit if they feel that that will make
them safer.

nate

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Magnulus wrote:

> Collision at 75 vs. 55 mph has alot more energy behind it= a higher risk
> of injury/death. Much higher.
>

How often do you wreck?

> Speeding should be cracked down on. Most people are not that great
> drivers, and almost half of them are driving vehicles that are prone to poor
> breaking and poor traction on pavement- SUV's and trucks.
>

This is true, but the general public has still decided that the speeds
at which they drive have an acceptable risk level. It's not the
government's job to protect people from themselves. If people want to
be safer, there's no law prohibiting them from driving safer vehicles,
or driving slower than the speed limit if they feel that that will make
them safer.

nate

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James H. Hood wrote:

> Brent P > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>In article >, Magnulus wrote:
>>
>>> Collision at 75 vs. 55 mph has alot more energy behind it= a higher
>
> risk
>
>>>of injury/death. Much higher.
>>
>>Only IN a crash. However, the higher speed limit when more appropiate for
>>the road will PREVENT the crashes in the first place.
>
>
> Which explains why there are more crashes on a highway than on my street
> where the limit is twenty, right?
>

Per VMT that is generally not the case.


> This persistent notion that crashes are caused largely by different speeds
> is absurd.
>

Please explain. Unsupported assertion with no explanation.

nate


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James H. Hood wrote:

> Brent P > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>In article >, Magnulus wrote:
>>
>>> Collision at 75 vs. 55 mph has alot more energy behind it= a higher
>
> risk
>
>>>of injury/death. Much higher.
>>
>>Only IN a crash. However, the higher speed limit when more appropiate for
>>the road will PREVENT the crashes in the first place.
>
>
> Which explains why there are more crashes on a highway than on my street
> where the limit is twenty, right?
>

Per VMT that is generally not the case.


> This persistent notion that crashes are caused largely by different speeds
> is absurd.
>

Please explain. Unsupported assertion with no explanation.

nate


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Around 1/8/2005 6:41 PM, Magnulus wrote:

> Collision at 75 vs. 55 mph has alot more energy behind it= a higher risk
> of injury/death. Much higher.


Hi, Carl. I almost didn't recognize your sockpuppet.



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Around 1/8/2005 6:41 PM, Magnulus wrote:

> Collision at 75 vs. 55 mph has alot more energy behind it= a higher risk
> of injury/death. Much higher.


Hi, Carl. I almost didn't recognize your sockpuppet.



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"James H. Hood" > writes:


>Brent P > wrote in message
...
>> In article >, Magnulus wrote:
>> > Collision at 75 vs. 55 mph has alot more energy behind it= a
>> > higher risk of injury/death. Much higher.

>> Only IN a crash. However, the higher speed limit when more
>> appropiate for the road will PREVENT the crashes in the first
>> place.

>Which explains why there are more crashes on a highway than on my street
>where the limit is twenty, right?

Patent;y; the solution is to close the highway and to divert traffic
down your street.

>This persistent notion that crashes are caused largely by different speeds
>is absurd.

I wasn't aware of such a persistent notion. It's at worst a
simplistic view of the artificial skew imposed on free-flowing
traffic when an underposted speed limit exists.

The "different speeds" non-factor is a statistical view. The
underlying human factors such as compensatory risk taking are mostly
what determines the incidence of crashes.
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"James H. Hood" > writes:


>Brent P > wrote in message
...
>> In article >, Magnulus wrote:
>> > Collision at 75 vs. 55 mph has alot more energy behind it= a
>> > higher risk of injury/death. Much higher.

>> Only IN a crash. However, the higher speed limit when more
>> appropiate for the road will PREVENT the crashes in the first
>> place.

>Which explains why there are more crashes on a highway than on my street
>where the limit is twenty, right?

Patent;y; the solution is to close the highway and to divert traffic
down your street.

>This persistent notion that crashes are caused largely by different speeds
>is absurd.

I wasn't aware of such a persistent notion. It's at worst a
simplistic view of the artificial skew imposed on free-flowing
traffic when an underposted speed limit exists.

The "different speeds" non-factor is a statistical view. The
underlying human factors such as compensatory risk taking are mostly
what determines the incidence of crashes.
--
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X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature
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In article >, James H. Hood wrote:
>
> Brent P > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >, Magnulus wrote:
>> > Collision at 75 vs. 55 mph has alot more energy behind it= a higher
> risk
>> > of injury/death. Much higher.
>>
>> Only IN a crash. However, the higher speed limit when more appropiate for
>> the road will PREVENT the crashes in the first place.
>
> Which explains why there are more crashes on a highway than on my street
> where the limit is twenty, right?

Look at the values for interstates vs. surface streets.

> This persistent notion that crashes are caused largely by different speeds
> is absurd.

No such claim was made.

However, underposted speed limits have been shown to be safety negative.