Starving 95 Neon

maxpower wrote:

> Holding your foot to the floor is turning the fuel off with this vehicle,
> that tells me the vehicle was flooded...

I doubt it actually turns the fuel off (unless WOT with engine off
condition is an actual trigger for the engine computer to do so), but,
in general, the reason pushing the pedal to the floor at startup clears
a flooded condition is that the open butterfly gives free flow to air to
purge the excess gasoline out of the combustion chamber and into the
exhaust (rather than cutting fuel off per se).

Bill Putney
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adddress with the letter 'x')


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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Bill Putney wrote:

> maxpower wrote:
>
> > Holding your foot to the floor is turning the fuel off with this vehicle,
> > that tells me the vehicle was flooded...
>
> I doubt it actually turns the fuel off

It doesn't. Maxpower is apparently operating under the delusion that the
Neon is made by Ford. Some Ford vehicles *do* shut off the fuel if you
crank them with the accelerator on the floor.

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Bill Putney wrote:

> maxpower wrote:
>
> > Holding your foot to the floor is turning the fuel off with this vehicle,
> > that tells me the vehicle was flooded...
>
> I doubt it actually turns the fuel off

It doesn't. Maxpower is apparently operating under the delusion that the
Neon is made by Ford. Some Ford vehicles *do* shut off the fuel if you
crank them with the accelerator on the floor.

Daniel J. Stern wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Bill Putney wrote:
>
>
>>maxpower wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Holding your foot to the floor is turning the fuel off with this vehicle,
>>>that tells me the vehicle was flooded...
>>
>>I doubt it actually turns the fuel off
>
>
> It doesn't. Maxpower is apparently operating under the delusion that the
> Neon is made by Ford. Some Ford vehicles *do* shut off the fuel if you
> crank them with the accelerator on the floor.
>

You mean Ford actually did something right for a change?


Matt

Daniel J. Stern wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Bill Putney wrote:
>
>
>>maxpower wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Holding your foot to the floor is turning the fuel off with this vehicle,
>>>that tells me the vehicle was flooded...
>>
>>I doubt it actually turns the fuel off
>
>
> It doesn't. Maxpower is apparently operating under the delusion that the
> Neon is made by Ford. Some Ford vehicles *do* shut off the fuel if you
> crank them with the accelerator on the floor.
>

You mean Ford actually did something right for a change?


Matt

I am kind of doubt full that the car was flooded, as my gf never touched the
throtle until I told her too, and that is when it started.
I have seen this kind of condition happen before when the battery had ran
completely dead over a weekend and was being boosted. I had to apply throtle
to get the car to start during the initial boost, or it would just sputter
and stop. My guess for the having to use the throtle while the car was being
boosted was that the fuel system required the demand for fuel to get
everything back to pressure. (this is just a guess)
I know from my experence with 2-strokes, that when under cold conditions, or
first start of the season (ski-doos) that you apply throtle to get the fuel
system pressure to where it is required. I know this is not a 2-stroke, but
I figured this would kind of apply. And it did work.

I guess the issue now is to figure out where to look for the possible cause
of the issue. This appears to be a one time occurrance as it did not happen
again after Monday afternoon. I had the car Tuesday, and it ran like a topp.

btw, I am becoming more and more doubtfull that this car has the original
engine. I know the guy I bought it from had swapped the gauge cluster to one
that read lower milage. (another long story). My doubts is that a 2.0l
engine with 370,000km (approx. 231250 miles) should be getting really tire,
low compression, and so on) The car does not display any signs of being old
other then the bearings in the front wheels starting to go.

Mike
mlawrenc(at)rcc.on.ca

"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
n.umich.edu...
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Bill Putney wrote:
>
> > maxpower wrote:
> >
> > > Holding your foot to the floor is turning the fuel off with this
vehicle,
> > > that tells me the vehicle was flooded...
> >
> > I doubt it actually turns the fuel off
>
> It doesn't. Maxpower is apparently operating under the delusion that the
> Neon is made by Ford. Some Ford vehicles *do* shut off the fuel if you
> crank them with the accelerator on the floor.
>

I am kind of doubt full that the car was flooded, as my gf never touched the
throtle until I told her too, and that is when it started.
I have seen this kind of condition happen before when the battery had ran
completely dead over a weekend and was being boosted. I had to apply throtle
to get the car to start during the initial boost, or it would just sputter
and stop. My guess for the having to use the throtle while the car was being
boosted was that the fuel system required the demand for fuel to get
everything back to pressure. (this is just a guess)
I know from my experence with 2-strokes, that when under cold conditions, or
first start of the season (ski-doos) that you apply throtle to get the fuel
system pressure to where it is required. I know this is not a 2-stroke, but
I figured this would kind of apply. And it did work.

I guess the issue now is to figure out where to look for the possible cause
of the issue. This appears to be a one time occurrance as it did not happen
again after Monday afternoon. I had the car Tuesday, and it ran like a topp.

btw, I am becoming more and more doubtfull that this car has the original
engine. I know the guy I bought it from had swapped the gauge cluster to one
that read lower milage. (another long story). My doubts is that a 2.0l
engine with 370,000km (approx. 231250 miles) should be getting really tire,
low compression, and so on) The car does not display any signs of being old
other then the bearings in the front wheels starting to go.

Mike
mlawrenc(at)rcc.on.ca

"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
n.umich.edu...
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Bill Putney wrote:
>
> > maxpower wrote:
> >
> > > Holding your foot to the floor is turning the fuel off with this
vehicle,
> > > that tells me the vehicle was flooded...
> >
> > I doubt it actually turns the fuel off
>
> It doesn't. Maxpower is apparently operating under the delusion that the
> Neon is made by Ford. Some Ford vehicles *do* shut off the fuel if you
> crank them with the accelerator on the floor.
>

It is a trigger to turn the injectors off
"Bill Putney" > wrote in message ...
> maxpower wrote:
>
> > Holding your foot to the floor is turning the fuel off with this
vehicle,
> > that tells me the vehicle was flooded...
>
> I doubt it actually turns the fuel off (unless WOT with engine off
> condition is an actual trigger for the engine computer to do so), but,
> in general, the reason pushing the pedal to the floor at startup clears
> a flooded condition is that the open butterfly gives free flow to air to
> purge the excess gasoline out of the combustion chamber and into the
> exhaust (rather than cutting fuel off per se).
>
> Bill Putney
> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> adddress with the letter 'x')
>
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It is a trigger to turn the injectors off
"Bill Putney" > wrote in message ...
> maxpower wrote:
>
> > Holding your foot to the floor is turning the fuel off with this
vehicle,
> > that tells me the vehicle was flooded...
>
> I doubt it actually turns the fuel off (unless WOT with engine off
> condition is an actual trigger for the engine computer to do so), but,
> in general, the reason pushing the pedal to the floor at startup clears
> a flooded condition is that the open butterfly gives free flow to air to
> purge the excess gasoline out of the combustion chamber and into the
> exhaust (rather than cutting fuel off per se).
>
> Bill Putney
> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> adddress with the letter 'x')
>
>
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, maxpower wrote:

> It is a trigger to turn the injectors off

....on a Ford.

Good luck finding repair parts for a '95 Ford Neon.