8-series

"Trey" > wrote in message
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> "Jeff Strickland" > wrote in message
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> > "Somebody" > wrote in message
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> >> "bfd" > wrote in message
> >> oups.com...
> >> > I agree if the CSL clutch is "wearing out", then its due to driver
> >> > abuse. The BMW 850CSL clutch is the "upgrade" for the E39 M5 and E52
> >> > Z8:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.uucmotorwerks.com/flywheel/V8/index.htm
> >> >
> >> > As the ad says, this clutch is setup to give "normal" lifespan
> >> > comparable to standard BMW models, 50K-80K miles depending on driving
> >> > style. If you're getting less mileage on your clutch than this, its
> >> > due to driver abuse.....
> >> >
> >>
> >> 50K to 80k miles? I just swapped mine out 'cause the throwout bearing
> >> went -- 344,000km, could have put it back in but I had bought a kit
> > anyway.
> >>
> >
> > I second that. I have a '94 325i and I replaced the factory clutch at
> > 210,000 miles, and I did it because I was tired of listening to the
> > throw-out bearing howl its complaints everytime I depressed the pedal.
> >
> > I'll accept the idea that the 8 Series and the 3 Series are not even
> > remotely similar once you get behind the Roundelo on the hood, but I
> > reject
> > the notion that the standard is 50- to 80-thousand miles on a clutch.
>
> What kind of driving do you do? if its day after day of heavy metro
traffic,
> I can see it wearing out faster than if you commuted though the
countryside.
> When Im on the interstate on my motorcycle, I can cover over 100 miles
> without touching the clutch. Get in the city, and the clutch gets used
every
> 20 feet

Well that's fair, heavy stop and go -- if you literally stop -- wears the
clutch no matter how careful you are.

A manual tranmission 850 is hardly a good choice of a daily commuter if your
commute is truly that bad, however. Seems unlikely that so many of them
live that sort of life that they all have a reputation of tossing clutches
at 80Kmiles.

-Russ.

>> >> "bfd" > wrote in message
>> >> oups.com...
>> >> > I agree if the CSL clutch is "wearing out", then its due to driver
>> >> > abuse. The BMW 850CSL clutch is the "upgrade" for the E39 M5 and E52
>> >> > Z8:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.uucmotorwerks.com/flywheel/V8/index.htm
>> >> >
>> >> > As the ad says, this clutch is setup to give "normal" lifespan
>> >> > comparable to standard BMW models, 50K-80K miles depending on
>> >> > driving
>> >> > style. If you're getting less mileage on your clutch than this, its
>> >> > due to driver abuse.....
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> 50K to 80k miles? I just swapped mine out 'cause the throwout bearing
>> >> went -- 344,000km, could have put it back in but I had bought a kit
>> > anyway.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I second that. I have a '94 325i and I replaced the factory clutch at
>> > 210,000 miles, and I did it because I was tired of listening to the
>> > throw-out bearing howl its complaints everytime I depressed the pedal.
>> >
>> > I'll accept the idea that the 8 Series and the 3 Series are not even
>> > remotely similar once you get behind the Roundelo on the hood, but I
>> > reject
>> > the notion that the standard is 50- to 80-thousand miles on a clutch.
>>
>> What kind of driving do you do? if its day after day of heavy metro
> traffic,
>> I can see it wearing out faster than if you commuted though the
> countryside.
>> When Im on the interstate on my motorcycle, I can cover over 100 miles
>> without touching the clutch. Get in the city, and the clutch gets used
> every
>> 20 feet
>
> Well that's fair, heavy stop and go -- if you literally stop -- wears the
> clutch no matter how careful you are.
>
> A manual tranmission 850 is hardly a good choice of a daily commuter if
> your
> commute is truly that bad, however. Seems unlikely that so many of them
> live that sort of life that they all have a reputation of tossing clutches
> at 80Kmiles.
>
> -Russ.
>
>
They could be making the clutch pads out of a softer compound to give it
greater grip in a smaller area.. Thats the only thing left I can think of.

"Trey" > wrote in message
...
>
> >> >> "bfd" > wrote in message
> >> >> oups.com...
> >> >> > I agree if the CSL clutch is "wearing out", then its due to driver
> >> >> > abuse. The BMW 850CSL clutch is the "upgrade" for the E39 M5 and
E52
> >> >> > Z8:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.uucmotorwerks.com/flywheel/V8/index.htm
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As the ad says, this clutch is setup to give "normal" lifespan
> >> >> > comparable to standard BMW models, 50K-80K miles depending on
> >> >> > driving
> >> >> > style. If you're getting less mileage on your clutch than this,
its
> >> >> > due to driver abuse.....
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> 50K to 80k miles? I just swapped mine out 'cause the throwout
bearing
> >> >> went -- 344,000km, could have put it back in but I had bought a kit
> >> > anyway.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I second that. I have a '94 325i and I replaced the factory clutch at
> >> > 210,000 miles, and I did it because I was tired of listening to the
> >> > throw-out bearing howl its complaints everytime I depressed the
pedal.
> >> >
> >> > I'll accept the idea that the 8 Series and the 3 Series are not even
> >> > remotely similar once you get behind the Roundelo on the hood, but I
> >> > reject
> >> > the notion that the standard is 50- to 80-thousand miles on a clutch.
> >>
> >> What kind of driving do you do? if its day after day of heavy metro
> > traffic,
> >> I can see it wearing out faster than if you commuted though the
> > countryside.
> >> When Im on the interstate on my motorcycle, I can cover over 100 miles
> >> without touching the clutch. Get in the city, and the clutch gets used
> > every
> >> 20 feet
> >
> > Well that's fair, heavy stop and go -- if you literally stop -- wears
the
> > clutch no matter how careful you are.
> >
> > A manual tranmission 850 is hardly a good choice of a daily commuter if
> > your
> > commute is truly that bad, however. Seems unlikely that so many of them
> > live that sort of life that they all have a reputation of tossing
clutches
> > at 80Kmiles.
> >
> > -Russ.
> >
> >
> They could be making the clutch pads out of a softer compound to give it
> greater grip in a smaller area.. Thats the only thing left I can think of.

I guess that's possible. Perhaps an aftermarket clutch could fix that, but
if they've just made it too small there may not be much that can be done.
Still a gentle foot at first engagement and proper rev matching should
extend clutch life significantly. You can actually get good fast starts
from a car while barely slipping the clutch at all and stomping the gas
after full engagement when a car has as much torque as that motor does.

-Russ.

I've heard my mechanic repeatedly bitc$ and moan about the 850 v12.
Say's its a piece of garbage.

This is coming from Steve Moran Motors...best dang Beemer shop I've ever
been to. Its in Berkely, CA.

I was talking to one of the guys when an 850 came in with a blown motor
and out of curiousity asking how they were, and how they held up, and he
just sort of put his head down and said they're terrible.

I've got a six myself and have had my fair share of probs...but it seems
the 850's just weren't designed to last.

My .01
Dru

Somebody wrote:

>"Trey" > wrote in message
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>
>
>>>>>>"bfd" > wrote in message
oglegroups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I agree if the CSL clutch is "wearing out", then its due to driver
>>>>>>>abuse. The BMW 850CSL clutch is the "upgrade" for the E39 M5 and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>E52
>
>
>>>>>>>Z8:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.uucmotorwerks.com/flywheel/V8/index.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As the ad says, this clutch is setup to give "normal" lifespan
>>>>>>>comparable to standard BMW models, 50K-80K miles depending on
>>>>>>>driving
>>>>>>>style. If you're getting less mileage on your clutch than this,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>its
>
>
>>>>>>>due to driver abuse.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>50K to 80k miles? I just swapped mine out 'cause the throwout
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>bearing
>
>
>>>>>>went -- 344,000km, could have put it back in but I had bought a kit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I second that. I have a '94 325i and I replaced the factory clutch at
>>>>>210,000 miles, and I did it because I was tired of listening to the
>>>>>throw-out bearing howl its complaints everytime I depressed the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>pedal.
>
>
>>>>>I'll accept the idea that the 8 Series and the 3 Series are not even
>>>>>remotely similar once you get behind the Roundelo on the hood, but I
>>>>>reject
>>>>>the notion that the standard is 50- to 80-thousand miles on a clutch.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>What kind of driving do you do? if its day after day of heavy metro
>>>>
>>>>
>>>traffic,
>>>
>>>
>>>>I can see it wearing out faster than if you commuted though the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>countryside.
>>>
>>>
>>>>When Im on the interstate on my motorcycle, I can cover over 100 miles
>>>>without touching the clutch. Get in the city, and the clutch gets used
>>>>
>>>>
>>>every
>>>
>>>
>>>>20 feet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Well that's fair, heavy stop and go -- if you literally stop -- wears
>>>
>>>
>the
>
>
>>>clutch no matter how careful you are.
>>>
>>>A manual tranmission 850 is hardly a good choice of a daily commuter if
>>>your
>>>commute is truly that bad, however. Seems unlikely that so many of them
>>>live that sort of life that they all have a reputation of tossing
>>>
>>>
>clutches
>
>
>>>at 80Kmiles.
>>>
>>>-Russ.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>They could be making the clutch pads out of a softer compound to give it
>>greater grip in a smaller area.. Thats the only thing left I can think of.
>>
>>
>
>I guess that's possible. Perhaps an aftermarket clutch could fix that, but
>if they've just made it too small there may not be much that can be done.
>Still a gentle foot at first engagement and proper rev matching should
>extend clutch life significantly. You can actually get good fast starts
>from a car while barely slipping the clutch at all and stomping the gas
>after full engagement when a car has as much torque as that motor does.
>
>-Russ.
>
>
>
>