Can the oil pan be removed from a '66 Fairlane w/289 in car w/o loosening the engine mounts?

I want to change the oil pump on a '66 Fairlane wagon w/289. Reading
the 1970 Chilton's that covers this car, it seems to indicate you can
pull the oil pan in car, it doesnt mention loosening the engine mounts
or even the sway bar.

But danged if I could get it out. Is there a trick? The only times
I've ever had the oil pan off the engine has been out of the car.

Doc wrote:
> I want to change the oil pump on a '66 Fairlane wagon w/289. Reading
> the 1970 Chilton's that covers this car, it seems to indicate you can
> pull the oil pan in car, it doesnt mention loosening the engine mounts
> or even the sway bar.
>
> But danged if I could get it out. Is there a trick? The only times
> I've ever had the oil pan off the engine has been out of the car.
>

Even back then, Chiltons best use was as a paper supply in the outhouse. You've just
found out why.
I'm not familiar with that particular car, but I've never seen a RWD Ford product
that didn't require at least raising the motor off of the mounts. (Large trucks excluded)
If you're just doing the gasket, the pan usually doesn't need to come completely
off. Clean it up in-situ and glue the gasket to the block with contact cement.
If you need to completely remove the pan: Raise the motor, drop the pan down, unbolt
the oil pump and let it drop into the pan. You may have to loosen or remove other
things for clearance, like steering linkage, etc.

On Jun 18, 12:30 am, Tom Adkins > wrote:
> Doc wrote:
> > I want to change the oil pump on a '66 Fairlane wagon w/289. Reading
> > the 1970 Chilton's that covers this car, it seems to indicate you can
> > pull the oil pan in car, it doesnt mention loosening the engine mounts
> > or even the sway bar.
>
> > But danged if I could get it out. Is there a trick? The only times
> > I've ever had the oil pan off the engine has been out of the car.
>
> Even back then, Chiltons best use was as a paper supply in the outhouse. You've just
> found out why.
> I'm not familiar with that particular car, but I've never seen a RWD Ford product
> that didn't require at least raising the motor off of the mounts. (Large trucks excluded)
> If you're just doing the gasket, the pan usually doesn't need to come completely
> off. Clean it up in-situ and glue the gasket to the block with contact cement.
> If you need to completely remove the pan: Raise the motor, drop the pan down, unbolt
> the oil pump and let it drop into the pan. You may have to loosen or remove other
> things for clearance, like steering linkage, etc.

> Even back then, Chiltons best use was as a paper supply >in the outhouse. You've just found out why.

??? Don't know what Chilton your reading.
You need to turn the crankshaft to get clearance.

"Doc" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>I want to change the oil pump on a '66 Fairlane wagon w/289. Reading
> the 1970 Chilton's that covers this car, it seems to indicate you can
> pull the oil pan in car, it doesnt mention loosening the engine mounts
> or even the sway bar.
>
> But danged if I could get it out. Is there a trick? The only times
> I've ever had the oil pan off the engine has been out of the car.

You have to lower the stabilizer bar and then turn the crankshaft until the
pan will clear the counterweight(s).
You shouldn't have to lift it off of the mounts.

dahpater wrote:
>
>> Even back then, Chiltons best use was as a paper supply >in the outhouse. You've just found out why.
>
> ??? Don't know what Chilton your reading.
> You need to turn the crankshaft to get clearance.
>

Chilton manuals have always been vague on vehicle specific procedures. The
information that they DO supply is good. It's the information they leave out that will
bite you in the butt every time.
Granted, the problem is worse in recent years as cars have gotten more complex, But
the earlier Chiltons were nothing to write home about either.

"Doc" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>I want to change the oil pump on a '66 Fairlane wagon w/289. Reading
> the 1970 Chilton's that covers this car, it seems to indicate you can
> pull the oil pan in car, it doesnt mention loosening the engine mounts
> or even the sway bar.
>
> But danged if I could get it out. Is there a trick? The only times
> I've ever had the oil pan off the engine has been out of the car.
>

Way, way back when, I had a '64 Ford Galaxy with a 390. To change the oil
pump, I had to take the bolts out of the pan, then use a ratchet and socket
on the damper pulley bolt to turn the crank and work the pan down (I removed
the spark plugs first). IIRC, the pan didn't come all the way out, but
dropped down plenty enough to get the pump and pick-up tube out.

SC Tom

On Jun 17, 11:00 pm, Doc > wrote:
> I want to change the oil pump on a '66 Fairlane wagon w/289. Reading
> the 1970 Chilton's that covers this car, it seems to indicate you can
> pull the oil pan in car, it doesnt mention loosening the engine mounts
> or even the sway bar.


Turning the crank helped but I ultimately had to remove the sway bar
and remove the pickup to get the pan completely out. Lifting the
engine wasn't necessary.