How much weight to put at the back of truck to make it steady in snow

"Pete C." schrieb:

> With a 4x4 truck you are normally in 2wd aka rwd most of the time.
> Adding weight to the back improves the traction of a normally front
> heavy pickup considerably. This allows you to start up from a light in
> snowy conditions without spinning the tires or fishtailling without
> needing 4wd and the drivetrain windup and steering issues that brings
> when there is patchy snow and dry spots on the road. With my Chev 3500
> dually I use 1,000# of concrete blocks which helps tremendously and
> still leaves plenty of capacity for cargo when needed. For a F150 srw
> 500# is probably plenty.
>
> W.P.

Right.
I always carry my heavy wooden toolbox (round 90kg) and some other nice handy
stuff with me in my BJ42. This green gherkin has a very light backend always
wanting to overtake in fast turns. Winter DOES make this issue more critical.

Axel

Hey - thanks Roger - I always wondered what happened to the Klebers -
haven't seen them for quite a while. Thanks for confirming my comment that
they were unstoppable. I had a front wheel drive car VW Scirocco at the
time, and lived in a rental property where the driveway sloped away from the
road and the driveway was always covered with a sheet of glare ice. With
regular tires, I had to push the car out every day. After I put the Klebers
on (at the recommendation of Eurotire store in New Jersey - don't know if
they are in business still) the car drove out as if it were on dry pavement.
They woud go anywhere and I had great glee at watching all the 4-wd's stuck
spinning with their all terrains while I drove through the snow and ice as
if it wasn't even there. Sure sold me on dedicated snow tires. I'm really
sorry to hear that Michelin bought them and they are no longer available. A
friend of mine recommended some Scandinavian snow tires just recently that
he said would do as well as the Klebers. If I run into him again, I'll ask
him again what the name of the tires are and post it for everyone.

Have fun playing in the snow.
Don

"Roger Brown" > wrote in message
...
> Don wrote:
> >
> > You don't say where you live - makes a big difference. I noticed a
strong
> > like of the Mich AT or M/S tires in the replies. From my experience, if
you
> > are living in real snow country, get yourself a for real set of
dedicated
> > snow tires (and maybe a spare set of cheap rims from the junk yard - so
all
> > you have to do is switch rims each season). I ran some Kleber (sp?) and
> > they would go anywhere - when I lived in snow. I personally have found
that
> > dedicated snow tires - in particular if you can find some good European
or
> > Scandinavian ones in your size) are much better than combination tires -
> > they are designed to stay soft in cold weather - which is why you don't
want
> > to run them year round.
>
> I used to run an old set of Klebers on my FWD VW and it was unstoppable.
They used a special hydrophillic rubber compound that really gripped compact
snow and ice. They finally dies after about 15 seasons, rubber dried out
and cracked and the steel
> belts broke. I think Michelin bought Kleber a number of years ago and
I've not seen the tires available in the US any more.
>
> --
> Roger

Hey - thanks Roger - I always wondered what happened to the Klebers -
haven't seen them for quite a while. Thanks for confirming my comment that
they were unstoppable. I had a front wheel drive car VW Scirocco at the
time, and lived in a rental property where the driveway sloped away from the
road and the driveway was always covered with a sheet of glare ice. With
regular tires, I had to push the car out every day. After I put the Klebers
on (at the recommendation of Eurotire store in New Jersey - don't know if
they are in business still) the car drove out as if it were on dry pavement.
They woud go anywhere and I had great glee at watching all the 4-wd's stuck
spinning with their all terrains while I drove through the snow and ice as
if it wasn't even there. Sure sold me on dedicated snow tires. I'm really
sorry to hear that Michelin bought them and they are no longer available. A
friend of mine recommended some Scandinavian snow tires just recently that
he said would do as well as the Klebers. If I run into him again, I'll ask
him again what the name of the tires are and post it for everyone.

Have fun playing in the snow.
Don

"Roger Brown" > wrote in message
...
> Don wrote:
> >
> > You don't say where you live - makes a big difference. I noticed a
strong
> > like of the Mich AT or M/S tires in the replies. From my experience, if
you
> > are living in real snow country, get yourself a for real set of
dedicated
> > snow tires (and maybe a spare set of cheap rims from the junk yard - so
all
> > you have to do is switch rims each season). I ran some Kleber (sp?) and
> > they would go anywhere - when I lived in snow. I personally have found
that
> > dedicated snow tires - in particular if you can find some good European
or
> > Scandinavian ones in your size) are much better than combination tires -
> > they are designed to stay soft in cold weather - which is why you don't
want
> > to run them year round.
>
> I used to run an old set of Klebers on my FWD VW and it was unstoppable.
They used a special hydrophillic rubber compound that really gripped compact
snow and ice. They finally dies after about 15 seasons, rubber dried out
and cracked and the steel
> belts broke. I think Michelin bought Kleber a number of years ago and
I've not seen the tires available in the US any more.
>
> --
> Roger