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  #51  
Old July 19th 05, 11:51 PM
Elle
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"Leon" > wrote
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> Elle is right, horsepower is the only unit that makes sense to use.
> For example, the typical civic needs 70HP to do 100mph and 90HP to do
> 110mph. Try to use torque to describe the same and write half a page
> of meaningless equations.


Hey, where'd you get the numbers? I'm not disputing them; I'm just curious.

I remember researching the horsepower for cruising (ya know, normal speeds),
and I think it was around 20 to 30 hp. But as big an issue is how well a car
accelerates. That's when the horsepower becomes an important metric and
crude measure of how well a car will accelerate.

Torque and RPM certainly both have their place in discussions of what one
wants an engine to do, but I'd never dismiss hp the way Joseph chooses to
do. For now, anyway.


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  #52  
Old July 20th 05, 01:50 AM
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Leonard Caillouet wrote:
> Watts are not at all regarded as meaningless in audio. The unit is
> misunderstood, misused, and like horesepower, does not tell the whole story.
> You might want to review your basic physics with regard to the meanings of
> the terms torque and power.


the way i understand it, the number advertised is "peak", which is the
most the head unit will put out, and often lasts a millisecond. if i
turn my blaupunkt all the way up, it sounds crappy. the speakers can
handle the wattage (40x4) but the head unit strains to deliver. i need
an amp...

but what to get? 2 channel or 4 channel?
  #53  
Old July 20th 05, 01:40 PM
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:51:54 GMT, "Elle"
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>"Leon" > wrote
>snip
>> Elle is right, horsepower is the only unit that makes sense to use.
>> For example, the typical civic needs 70HP to do 100mph and 90HP to do
>> 110mph. Try to use torque to describe the same and write half a page
>> of meaningless equations.

>
>Hey, where'd you get the numbers? I'm not disputing them; I'm just curious.
>
>I remember researching the horsepower for cruising (ya know, normal speeds),
>and I think it was around 20 to 30 hp. But as big an issue is how well a car
>accelerates. That's when the horsepower becomes an important metric and
>crude measure of how well a car will accelerate.
>
>Torque and RPM certainly both have their place in discussions of what one
>wants an engine to do, but I'd never dismiss hp the way Joseph chooses to
>do. For now, anyway.
>

http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/topspeed.htm
Extremely accurate calculations, I've verified them against various
FWD cars.
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Old July 20th 05, 02:39 PM
Elle
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"Leon" > wrote
> > wrote:
> >"Leon" > wrote
> >snip
> >> Elle is right, horsepower is the only unit that makes sense to use.
> >> For example, the typical civic needs 70HP to do 100mph and 90HP to do
> >> 110mph. Try to use torque to describe the same and write half a page
> >> of meaningless equations.

> >
> >Hey, where'd you get the numbers? I'm not disputing them; I'm just

curious.

> http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/topspeed.htm


Nice!

Thanks.


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Old July 21st 05, 12:04 PM
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it official guys from the president and CEO of Honda Japan.

The FIT is coming to the US!

Details in the NEWS section of FitFreak.net


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Old July 21st 05, 05:14 PM
Elle
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> wrote
> it official guys from the president and CEO of Honda Japan.
>
> The FIT is coming to the US!
>
> Details in the NEWS section of FitFreak.net
>
>
> http://FitFreak.net


Nice.

Any authoritative word on the MSRP of this car in the U.S.? Also, what kind
of interior will be offered?

I'm seeking a rough match to my current 91 Honda Civic LX's velour-ish
interior. I don't want any Toyota Echo-ey plastic on the inside.


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Old July 22nd 05, 11:05 AM
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SoCalMike wrote:

> Leonard Caillouet wrote:
>
>> Watts are not at all regarded as meaningless in audio. The unit is
>> misunderstood, misused, and like horesepower, does not tell the whole
>> story. You might want to review your basic physics with regard to the
>> meanings of the terms torque and power.

>
>
> the way i understand it, the number advertised is "peak", which is the
> most the head unit will put out, and often lasts a millisecond. if i
> turn my blaupunkt all the way up, it sounds crappy. the speakers can
> handle the wattage (40x4) but the head unit strains to deliver. i need
> an amp...
>
> but what to get? 2 channel or 4 channel?


Oh, that's just marketing. Most amps only deliver 20-25wpc in
surround mode if you alter the impedance to match the worst most
8 ohm speakers create(5 ohms as a low-end value in most cases,
give or take).

Still, that's 100db for most speakers. Times 5. That's
really loud.

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Old July 22nd 05, 11:13 AM
Joseph Oberlander
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Elle wrote:

> > wrote
>
>>it official guys from the president and CEO of Honda Japan.
>>
>>The FIT is coming to the US!
>>
>>Details in the NEWS section of FitFreak.net
>>
>>
>>http://FitFreak.net

>
>
> Nice.
>
> Any authoritative word on the MSRP of this car in the U.S.? Also, what kind
> of interior will be offered?
>
> I'm seeking a rough match to my current 91 Honda Civic LX's velour-ish
> interior. I don't want any Toyota Echo-ey plastic on the inside.


I'm going to be SO bummed if they don;t give us the 1.2 with
basic trim as a low-priced option. A 110HP version would
only get 40mpg highway. I'd rather get 60mpg highway and
take a couple more seconds getting up to speed.

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Old July 23rd 05, 09:45 AM
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:14:47 GMT, "Elle"
> wrote:

> wrote
>> it official guys from the president and CEO of Honda Japan.
>>
>> The FIT is coming to the US!
>>
>> Details in the NEWS section of FitFreak.net
>>
>>
>> http://FitFreak.net

>
>Nice.
>
>Any authoritative word on the MSRP of this car in the U.S.? Also, what kind
>of interior will be offered?
>
>I'm seeking a rough match to my current 91 Honda Civic LX's velour-ish
>interior. I don't want any Toyota Echo-ey plastic on the inside.
>

My friend's wife bought the recently restyled Jazz with the L-series
1.4 i-Dsi engine (8V, twin spark plug), I'm not sure but something
like 80-85HP. Gets better mileage than my 95 civic, the interior is
smaller but you sit taller, does not look sporty. The car is manual
(I've heard that the CVT is great), European specs, was a bit over
€14k ($16.5k), power windows, locks, mirrors, remote, a/c, air-bags,
abs. You can buy similar Hyundais for €11-12k.

I drove it once at night, the temperature gauge has a visible C when
the engine is cold, there is a big b&w lcd screen (amber) on the dash
with a huge knob that controls the radio and the (auto fan, auto temp)
a/c.

There is a super-lock feature with either the remote or the key, when
you lock the door with key if you keep turned all the way for a second
or two, you activate super-lock, that is you can only unlock the door
with the key (or remote), not from inside the car, even if someone
breaks a window he/she cannot unlock the door.
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