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"Daniel Alsaker" > wrote in message ... > (Rich Wales) wrote in > g: > What the hell kind of a scary-ass country do you live in, where a police > officer might freak out if you reached for the glove compartment??? Right here in the USA, you need to be pretty careful. There was an article in the Houston Chronicle in recent months detailing some 60-70 odd shootings of unarmed individuals by the police. Several teenagers have been killed. Police got spooked, they say. If a policeman pulls you over here, you are to stay in the car, keep your hands up and clearly visible. No quick moves. If you carry a concealed firearm, you hand the policeman the license along with your drivers license. I guess our registration documentation is the window sticker. We do not have paper registrations any more, as far as I know. I would not keep the title in the car, for sure. |
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"Daniel Alsaker" > wrote in message ... > > What the hell kind of a scary-ass country do you live in, where a police > officer might freak out if you reached for the glove compartment??? Why, that would have to be the good ole US of A, where the Founding Fathers believed that it was the right and duty of all free citizens to keep and bear arms in defense of life and liberty, against not only common criminals but tyrannical government as well. Guns are freely available (and in many cases, more easily obtained by criminals than the citizens who try to be law-abiding, which basically sucks*). It is good for those who claim power and authority to be concerned that the citizens could resort to the ultimate defense should their rule become unjust. It is one of the most important components in the checks and balances of power in government. *{ Despite the arguments of those in favor of restricting law-abiding citizens from carrying weapons, criminals have no more compunctions against breaking the "gun-control" laws than they do any other, and such laws do nothing to reduce crime. It can, in fact, be shown that regions/countries with tougher gun restrictions suffer from a higher crime rate than those where fewer restrictions are imposed. } While the police have little to fear from the generally law-abiding public who happen to be armed, it is (and will be for the foreseeable future) impossible to prevent criminals from obtaining weapons, and they will always have to be concerned for their safety. A cop, whether in the USA or any other country, cannot tell just from looking at you if you are a criminal or not. Any cop, in any country, should be concerned for his/her safety when a subject of inquiry makes a sudden movement or reaches into an area that he/she cannot see into. It is only common sense, and any cop who becomes careless in this regard may eventually meet an early demise. No modern government in any country has been successful in eliminating weapons from the possession of the criminal element. If you look at England and Australia, for example, who have in recent years practically barred nearly the entire body of the law-abiding public from possessing/obtaining weapons, a significant industry in black-market weapons has arisen. Weapons are obtained both by smuggling and by the theft of weapons owned by the police themselves. While such plans sound good in theory, in practical application they fail miserably. And, as this thread is becoming considerably off-topic, we should move it to another group if you wish to discuss it further. I'm sure there must be a rec.guns or similar group. |
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At least where I live, it is a violation of law to not have
registration and proof of insurance paperwork with you while driving. If a thief doesn't have them it increases the odds of them not convincing the police that they borrowed the car. They might well get arrested quicker without the appropriate paperwork. Ken (MI) "Lee" > wrote in message ... > thieves can't do anything is registration or insurance...... he is not > talking his title... gosh > > -Lee > > "Woodchuck" > wrote in message > .. . > > You shouldn't If the car is stolen then the thieves have it. > > > > "Rich Wales" > wrote in message > > g... > >> Where should you keep the registration form in an '04 Golf? > >> > >> In my previous cars, I used to keep the registration behind a > >> clip-on mirror on the sun visor. But there doesn't seem to be > >> room to do this on my Golf, because the built-in mirror with > >> the sliding cover takes up so much room in the visor. > >> > >> I'm currently keeping the registration in the side pocket of > >> the owner's manual, but I'm concerned that in the (hopefully > >> unlikely!) event that I were ever pulled over and asked to show > >> "license and registration", the police officer might freak out > >> if I were to go for the glove compartment (which might, for all > >> he/she knows, contain a gun). > >> > >> Any thoughts (other than "don't ever drive in a way that would > >> ever make a police office think of wanting to pull you over")? > >> > >> Rich Wales http://www.richw.org > >> > > > > > > |
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You are right, and even those who live in states not requiring those papers
(I thought all states did) should carry them unless they never travel beyond their own borders - because we are all subject to the laws for wherever we are. |
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Chicago Paddling-Fishing > wrote:
> In rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled wrote: > > : "Daniel Alsaker" > wrote in message > : ... > :> (Rich Wales) wrote in > :> g: > > :> What the hell kind of a scary-ass country do you live in, where a police > :> officer might freak out if you reached for the glove compartment??? > > : Right here in the USA, you need to be pretty careful. There was an article > : in the Houston > : Chronicle in recent months detailing some 60-70 odd shootings of unarmed > : individuals by > : the police. Several teenagers have been killed. Police got spooked, they > : say. > > : If a policeman pulls you over here, you are to stay in the car, keep your > : hands up and clearly visible. No quick moves. > > : If you carry a concealed firearm, you hand the policeman the license along > : with your drivers > : license. > > : I guess our registration documentation is the window sticker. We do not > : have paper registrations > : any more, as far as I know. > > : I would not keep the title in the car, for sure. > > Yep, similar situation here in Chicago... A officer friend of mine advises... > > 1) If your on the phone, end the call and place phone on the dash > 2) Turn car off > 3) Remove keys and place on dash in plain view > 4) Turn on interior light if dark outside > 5) Stay in the car unless asked to get out > 6) Don't rustle around for DL or insurance card (wait until asked) > 7) Put hands on steering wheel at 10 and 2 position > 8) Sit relatively still while waiting for officer. > 9) Lastly, be polite Yes, no matter how demeaning it is you must remain compliant and do everything the officer wants you to do in exactly the way that makes everything convenient for him. Because he is a police officer, he is much more important than you are. |
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"RJ" > wrote in message om... > Chicago Paddling-Fishing > wrote: > > > In rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled wrote: > > > > : "Daniel Alsaker" > wrote in message > > : ... > > :> (Rich Wales) wrote in > > :> g: > > > > :> What the hell kind of a scary-ass country do you live in, where a police > > :> officer might freak out if you reached for the glove compartment??? > > > > : Right here in the USA, you need to be pretty careful. There was an article > > : in the Houston > > : Chronicle in recent months detailing some 60-70 odd shootings of unarmed > > : individuals by > > : the police. Several teenagers have been killed. Police got spooked, they > > : say. > > > > : If a policeman pulls you over here, you are to stay in the car, keep your > > : hands up and clearly visible. No quick moves. > > > > : If you carry a concealed firearm, you hand the policeman the license along > > : with your drivers > > : license. > > > > : I guess our registration documentation is the window sticker. We do not > > : have paper registrations > > : any more, as far as I know. > > > > : I would not keep the title in the car, for sure. > > > > Yep, similar situation here in Chicago... A officer friend of mine advises... > > > > 1) If your on the phone, end the call and place phone on the dash > > 2) Turn car off > > 3) Remove keys and place on dash in plain view > > 4) Turn on interior light if dark outside > > 5) Stay in the car unless asked to get out > > 6) Don't rustle around for DL or insurance card (wait until asked) > > 7) Put hands on steering wheel at 10 and 2 position > > 8) Sit relatively still while waiting for officer. > > 9) Lastly, be polite > > Yes, no matter how demeaning it is you must remain compliant and do > everything the officer wants you to do in exactly the way that makes > everything convenient for him. Because he is a police officer, he is > much more important than you are. Maybe not more important, but he is the one with the gun, club, mace, taser, etc., and the power and authority to use them, besides the power and authority to arrest and detain you. If you can't respect the person, respect his position and make your life easier. Ken (MI) |
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