PT no longer made sez Chrysler Dealer

A local radio newscaster went to a South Hills Pittsburgh Chrysler
dealer to look at PT's.
She was told they were no longer manufactured.
Why would they say something like this??

Why don't you ask the dealer? why would we know?

There could be many reasons, but two I favor are

1) There was something else on the lot that the salesman wanted to sell that
day.

2) Salesmen (and in fact almost any employee) these days seem to feel that
since they wont be held accountable for anything they say (if its not in
writing it is worthless) then they can say anything that comes into their
heads.
As consumers, we have let them get away with this and companies refuse to
honor the offers made or information provided verbally by employees. Anyway,
it gets the employers off the hook with that painful and expensive thing
they used to have called training.

The other possibility is that the salesman didnt say it. In all my
experience of reporters and the press, the events that occur and the things
that are said are much less important than the story that the reporter wants
to write.

Boy, did someone push my cynical button on this topic.

Dominic

"tomkanpa" > wrote in message
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>A local radio newscaster went to a South Hills Pittsburgh Chrysler
> dealer to look at PT's.
> She was told they were no longer manufactured.
> Why would they say something like this??
>

wrote:
> Why don't you ask the dealer?

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Ya know, your answer would apply to at least 95% of the questions asked
in this group.
I take it this is your only reply to questions.

She was telling the salesman what she wanted on or in the Cruiser
(color, seats, accessories, etc.). He told her that she might not be
able to get exactly what she wants because they're not making them
anymore.
He meant, "They're not making 2006's anymore." But he didn't say it, he
just said they're not making them anymore.

"Case closed, I'm coming home. Wonderful girl that Mabel."

dtzjread wrote:
> There could be many reasons, but two I favor are
>
> 1) There was something else on the lot that the salesman wanted to sell that
> day.
>
> 2) Salesmen (and in fact almost any employee) these days seem to feel that
> since they wont be held accountable for anything they say (if its not in
> writing it is worthless) then they can say anything that comes into their
> heads.
> As consumers, we have let them get away with this and companies refuse to
> honor the offers made or information provided verbally by employees. Anyway,
> it gets the employers off the hook with that painful and expensive thing
> they used to have called training.
>
> The other possibility is that the salesman didnt say it. In all my
> experience of reporters and the press, the events that occur and the things
> that are said are much less important than the story that the reporter wants
> to write.
>
> Boy, did someone push my cynical button on this topic.

Boy did I have fun with a dealer parts guy today. My wife and I have
been avoiding getting additonal keys made for our GM car because the
dealers charge unconscionalbe fees for new ones. I did a little
research over the weekend and found out the following:
(1) The little "chip" in the GM keys is - get this - simply a resistor
of a certain value - the BCM looks for the right resistor value - one of
15 values used in the blanks - IOW - only 15 unique blanks (ignoring the
cutting).
(2) There are two easily accessible wires going from the steerign column
to the BCM that inject a current into the "magic chip" thru physical
contacts in the cylinder - all you have to do is read the key's resistor
value with a multimeter, and buy a resistor at Radio Shack and splice it
across the two wires, and get the "chipped" key edges copied to an
otherwise identical non-chipped key for $1.50 at WalMart (might have to
talk the key cutter at WalMart into copying a "magic" key to a regular
blank - took me all of 20 seconds to do that).

So then, out of curiosity, on my way home from work today, I stopped in
at the local dealer and handed the parts guy the original key, and asked
how much $$ for an additional key. He rolled his eyes way up into his
head and said, "Oh boy - these are expensive because they are cut on
*TWO* sides *AND* they have a *CHIP* in them!!" He pulls out a special
aftermarket "key code reader", plugs the key into it and says "That's a
no. 6 blank" - which I already knew from reading it with my multimeter
(1470 ohms) and looking up in the 15-resistor value chart that's all
over the internet, including ebay actions for the blanks.

I then said "Well first of all, the "chip" is a resistor, and you can
get the double-side cut key cut at WalMart for $1.50 - I did it
yesterday. Resistors are cheap. The $40+ price for the blank is a
rip-off. Thanks - I just wanted to know how much I saved by buying a
resistor at Radio Shack and splicing it across the two 'magic' wires."

So yeah - I'm cynical too.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

Bill Putney wrote:
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> (2) There are two easily accessible wires going from the steerign column
> to the BCM that inject a current into the "magic chip" thru physical
> contacts in the cylinder - all you have to do is read the key's resistor
> value with a multimeter, and buy a resistor at Radio Shack and splice it
> across the two wires, and get the "chipped" key edges copied to an
> otherwise identical non-chipped key for $1.50 at WalMart (might have to
> talk the key cutter at WalMart into copying a "magic" key to a regular
> blank - took me all of 20 seconds to do that).
>
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Would the same be true of the "Security Key" for my 2001 Cruiser?

On 25 Jul 2006 08:58:31 -0700, "tomkanpa" > wrote:

>A local radio newscaster went to a South Hills Pittsburgh Chrysler
>dealer to look at PT's.
>She was told they were no longer manufactured.
>Why would they say something like this??
It's entirely possible the dealer is so stupid that he has confused
the PT vehicles with the PL vehicles. Or perhaps she misunderstood
him. The PL (Neon) has ended production. The replacement is the
Caliber on the PM platform. The PM platform also supports the
re-designed Sebring, which is just now starting production.

The PT got "freshened" this year, but the basic vehicle did not
change.

tomkanpa wrote:

> Bill Putney wrote:
> .
>
>>(2) There are two easily accessible wires going from the steerign column
>>to the BCM that inject a current into the "magic chip" thru physical
>>contacts in the cylinder - all you have to do is read the key's resistor
>>value with a multimeter, and buy a resistor at Radio Shack and splice it
>>across the two wires, and get the "chipped" key edges copied to an
>>otherwise identical non-chipped key for $1.50 at WalMart (might have to
>>talk the key cutter at WalMart into copying a "magic" key to a regular
>>blank - took me all of 20 seconds to do that).
>>
>
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>
> Would the same be true of the "Security Key" for my 2001 Cruiser?

Sorry - I don't have the Sentry system on either of my Chryslers, and so
have never had to delve into that. Most such systems are much more
sophisiticated than what's on the '99 GM I have - GM's current systems
are more sophisiticated now too - no simple bypass with a resistor these
days.

The key cost situation is really getting out of hand. In researching
the GM, I came across a discussion on a VW forum where they were trying
to figure out a way around $200 keys from the dealer, and someone there
mentioned that Nissan Infiniti owners pay $500 for a key copy.

It's great to have anti-theft security, but there's no way that $500 or
even $50 is justified for the cost of a key.

Why do business who raise prices during hurricanes get charged and fined
for "price gouging" but the car manufacturers and dealers can get by
with this scam of a captive market? It's insane.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')