Honda vs Toyota ??

The old retiree is leaniung toward a Camry, I have all the fun and tickets
driving performance cars. I'll leave that to others. Thanks to all for all
the opinions.
Hank
"MAT" > wrote in message
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> >
>> The Camry is known for its "cushier' ride while the Honda is tuned for a
>> 'sportier' ride hence the demographic push.
>>
>
> Yep, my mom recently went shopping for the "standard issue" sedan and
> ended up with an 05 Camry after test driving both, citing the smoothness
> and quietness as pluses. She is well aware of my Honda bias!
>

Why? The belt is quieter and will last to about 100,000 miles.
Anybody pushing the car past that point is risking a shot water pump.
You just replace the belt and the pump at the same time. Good for
another 100,000 miles.

My mind changed about this subject a year ago, when my water pump
failed on my I30 at 96,000 miles. The job to replace the pump is so
intricate (access problems & cam timing difficulties), that even my
Infiniti dealer calls in a floater to do this specialty work. $650 for
a new pump. Seems to me that I gained nothing with a metal chain,
except extra noise.

FWIW, the new Accord I4 engine does use a chain. The V6 has a 105,000
mile belt.

In article >,
says...

> The old retiree is leaniung toward a Camry, I have all the fun and tickets
> driving performance cars. I'll leave that to others. Thanks to all for all
> the opinions.
> Hank

Go test drive both before you make a decision. My dad, who is 73 and
hadn't owned a non-domestic car since he had a Beetle in the mid-1960s,
went to a Mercury dealership intending to buy a new Sable. He got so
irritated at the attitude of the salesman that he took my offhand
comment about checking out an Accord to heart, and the next thing I knew
he was calling me to tell me he had a new Accord in his garage. He's had
it for a little over a year now and loves it.

Yes, the ride is firmer in an Accord than a Camry, but it's hardly a
sports/performance car - the difference is more like the difference
between a European sedan and an American sedan.

Dave

When it come to the Accord vs Camry, I'm totally biased toward the Honda. I
can't stand that primitive exhaust system on the Camry that (when viewed
from the rear) looks like a tumor growing out of the under side of the car.
It seems that a flat underside is a somewhat important trait for modern car
design. So, why doesn't the vaunted Camry have it? That car is well over-do
for a revision (judging from the new Avalon, it'd probably be a home run).
Until then, I'd go with an already re-designed car with a vastly better
suspension system.

Pars

"Henry Kolesnik" > wrote in message
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> The old retiree is leaniung toward a Camry, I have all the fun and tickets
> driving performance cars. I'll leave that to others. Thanks to all for
all
> the opinions.
> Hank
> "MAT" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >
> >> The Camry is known for its "cushier' ride while the Honda is tuned for
a
> >> 'sportier' ride hence the demographic push.
> >>
> >
> > Yep, my mom recently went shopping for the "standard issue" sedan and
> > ended up with an 05 Camry after test driving both, citing the smoothness
> > and quietness as pluses. She is well aware of my Honda bias!
> >
>
>

In article >, "Pars"
> wrote:

> When it come to the Accord vs Camry, I'm totally biased toward the Honda. I
> can't stand that primitive exhaust system on the Camry that (when viewed
> from the rear) looks like a tumor growing out of the under side of the car.
> It seems that a flat underside is a somewhat important trait for modern car
> design. So, why doesn't the vaunted Camry have it? That car is well over-do
> for a revision (judging from the new Avalon, it'd probably be a home run).
> Until then, I'd go with an already re-designed car with a vastly better
> suspension system.

Great post. I just wanted to add some advice that I learned from someone a
long time ago. He said that most all car companies make the identical
model for about three years in a row. The car companies make minor
improvements in the model during those three years to correct any defects
found during the previous year or years. It's for these reasons that he
said to always buy the model that is made during the third year since it's
the best of the three.I realized that other people might disagree with the
theory but it seems to make sense. What's your opinion on this subject.

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Jason wrote:
> theory but it seems to make sense. What's your opinion on this subject.

generally makes sense, especially after a major platform change like the
civic just had.

Absolutely true for "Detroit iron." (Using the terms "Big Three" and
"domestic" doesn't make sense any more, does it?)

Jap manufacturers do a far better job at doing it right the first time.
I would not hesitate to buy a first year jap model if it is the car I
want. In fact, my brother questioned my sanity when I bought a '90
Integra, the first year of the second generation. 119,000 miles never
revealed any problems that were fixed in following years. Honda never
got around to redesigning master brake cylinders that didn't leak, or
mufflers that didn't rust through.

wrote:
> Absolutely true for "Detroit iron." (Using the terms "Big Three" and
> "domestic" doesn't make sense any more, does it?)
>
> Jap manufacturers do a far better job at doing it right the first time.
> I would not hesitate to buy a first year jap model if it is the car I
> want. In fact, my brother questioned my sanity when I bought a '90
> Integra, the first year of the second generation.

the platform and drivetrains were pretty much carried over, though.
werent they?

"Jason" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Pars"
> > wrote:
>
> > When it come to the Accord vs Camry, I'm totally biased toward the
Honda. I
> > can't stand that primitive exhaust system on the Camry that (when viewed
> > from the rear) looks like a tumor growing out of the under side of the
car.
> > It seems that a flat underside is a somewhat important trait for modern
car
> > design. So, why doesn't the vaunted Camry have it? That car is well
over-do
> > for a revision (judging from the new Avalon, it'd probably be a home
run).
> > Until then, I'd go with an already re-designed car with a vastly better
> > suspension system.
>
> Great post. I just wanted to add some advice that I learned from someone a
> long time ago. He said that most all car companies make the identical
> model for about three years in a row. The car companies make minor
> improvements in the model during those three years to correct any defects
> found during the previous year or years. It's for these reasons that he
> said to always buy the model that is made during the third year since it's
> the best of the three.I realized that other people might disagree with the
> theory but it seems to make sense. What's your opinion on this subject.
>

Waiting to see how the model performs over the long term is obviously a
cautious
route. Given that the Net is a good source to expose any imperfection on an
aging
model, waiting for the 'guinea-pigs' to do their job, makes sense. It's nice
to know
that the manufactures (at least the ones that can afford it) are more
pro-active about
fixing bugs (and in some cases improving) on their current models.

Pars


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In article >, SoCalMike
> wrote:

> Jason wrote:
> > theory but it seems to make sense. What's your opinion on this subject.
>
> generally makes sense, especially after a major platform change like the
> civic just had.

Hello,
There are exceptions to every rule. For example, my '99 Accord is the
second generation--not the third. It's an exception to the rule since the
engine and related transmission was first used in the 1996 Acura CL. This
means that the engine and transmission in my 99 Accord was used three
years before it was placed in the 99 Accords. That's why I was not
concerned about it since I knew any defects found in the engine and
transmission were repaired before it was placed in my car.

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