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Around 7/1/2005 6:44 PM, Arif Khokar wrote:
> C. E. White wrote: > >> > wrote: > >>> http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi...8.2005.00152.x > >> Thanks, that provided a little more information, but I am not prepared to >> purchase the full study. > > If you live near a university, why not go to their library and try to > access the same page from there. I was able to access the full study > without having to purchase it. Wonderful idea. In fact, I just downloaded a PDF of the full text through the U of W's library. And no, I'm not sharing. -- ~/Garth |"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. Almgren | I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. ******* | And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant." for secure mail info) --H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) |
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Garth Almgren wrote: > > Wonderful idea. In fact, I just downloaded a PDF of the full text > through the U of W's library. > > And no, I'm not sharing. Because it supports what i've been saying. High speeds = more vehicular murders. |
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Around 7/1/2005 10:41 PM, Aunt Judy (Pride of Diarrhea)
<http://tinyurl.com/65nqz> wrote: > Garth Almgren wrote: > >>Wonderful idea. In fact, I just downloaded a PDF of the full text >>through the U of W's library. >> >>And no, I'm not sharing. > > > Because it supports what i've been saying. Nope, because, unlike you, I'm not one to redistribute clearly copyrighted and restricted material online. And FYI, no, it doesn't even come close to supporting what you've been saying. Either read the report for yourself or just take my word for it (the latter costs you quite a bit less). A juicy quote from the last paragraph: "The estimated effects reveal that the assertion that speed kills, and more speed kills more is mostly unfounded." -- ~/Garth "I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it." - Edith Sitwell (Mail for secure contact information) |
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I did read the MUTCD and even quoted part of it in another post. It
answered none of these questions. If you want to show me where these questions are answered in the MUTCD, please do so. I believe I do understand the 85th percentile rule, which is why I feel it is so silly. Here is what I believe - The 85th percentile rule is arbitrary (why the 85th percentile and not the 90th percentile, or the 75th percentile) - There are no studies that I can find that "prove" that setting a speed limts at the 85th percentile speed results in the lowest accident and/or fatality rate (I am sure you have one that is not easily accessed) - The cheif rationale for using the 85th percentile rule to set speed limits seems to be - "People ignore speed limtis, so we might as well set them high enough so that only 15% of the people are vioating the law." - The 85th percentile speed is based solely on people's opinions of their capabilities. I know many people who have an unjustifiably high opinion of their driving ability. I know others who are competent to drive at well over the average speed of traffic. Why should they be limited to the speed that 85% of the people are comfortable with. Why should others be encouraged to drive faster (or be harassed for driving at less than the speed limt) becasue the speed limit is set to high? - The 85th percentile speed is not the normal speed of traffic or the average speed of traffic. It is just the speed that 85 percent of the drvier are not exceeding. The average speed of traffic might be much lower. So setting the speed limit at the 85th percentile may not have any effect as far as evening out the traffic flow and preventing clumps of car where faster cars are trapped behind slower cars. - It appears to me that the 85th percentile rule is just a politically correct way to set speed limits so that you can identify an easy to persecute minority. Ed |
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Ed White wrote:
> - The 85th percentile speed is not the normal speed of traffic or the > average speed of traffic. It is just the speed that 85 percent of the > drvier are not exceeding. The average speed of traffic might be much > lower. The difference between the 50th and 85th percentile speeds is usually around 5 to 7 mph. The 10 mph pace speed consists of 70 to 90 percent of traffic. As others have noticed, you have the bad habit of posting ridiculous assumptions about a topic that you claim to have researched. You claim that you've "read" the MUTCD, but I seriously doubt you've read Ch.1. |
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Sigh, I don't think my assumptions are ridiculous at all. You are free
to feel otherwise. Instead of claiming I did not read the MUTCD, why not qoutre the portion of it that answers my questions and/or refute my assumptions. It is freely available on line, so you can't claim you are violating any principals if you quoote parts of it (of course quoting portions of copywrited material is completely legal as long as you attribute it to the orignal source - but you pprobably know that). Regards, Ed White |
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Alex Rodriguez wrote:
> In article .com>, > says... > > >>"Author Robert O. Yowell said that after nationalization in 1974, there >>was a decrease in highway deaths that was greater than the prior trend. >>But the long-term decreases continued even when speed limits stayed the >>same." >>So he admits that that the lower SL of 1974 caused an immediate drop in >>fatalities but then as speed limits stayed the same, there was no >>further drop. Exactly as expected. > > > You forgot to quote the part where the death rate is dropping even as > average highway speeds keep going up. The rates aren't dropping, but have flatlined, which means the amount of deaths are rising. Check your facts before spouting off next time. http://www.nhtsa.com/people/Crash/crashstatistics/ |
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In article >,
william lynch > wrote: > > The rates aren't dropping, but have flatlined, which means the > amount of deaths are rising. Check your facts before spouting > off next time. > > http://www.nhtsa.com/people/Crash/crashstatistics/ Agency: Highway death rate hits new low By Ken Thomas, Associated Press Writer | April 21, 2005 WASHINGTON --The highway fatality rate sank to a record low last year, the government estimated Thursday, but the administration and auto safety advocates bemoaned an increase in the total number of traffic deaths and urged a national focus on seat belt use. The fatality rate dropped even as the total number of traffic deaths crept up because more drivers were on the road. The fatality rate slid from 1.48 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled in 2003 to 1.46 deaths in 2004. It was the lowest since records were first kept in 1966, when the rate was 5.50 deaths. The data released Thursday are considered projections. NHTSA plans to release final 2004 fatality figures in August. NHTSA collects crash statistics from all 50 states. ------ On the Net: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov |
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Ed White wrote:
> Sigh, I don't think my assumptions are ridiculous at all. You are free > to feel otherwise. Instead of claiming I did not read the MUTCD, why > not qoutre the portion of it that answers my questions and/or refute my > assumptions. Because you're supposed to do your own homework. In any case, none of the dns servers I use are unable to resolve http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov |
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