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Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
Greg Rozelle wrote:
> ACLU and others will be challenging the new id laws. There is no > way I could afford $100 for my drivers license. I sure hope this > does not apply to all states. I also wander how much ids will cost as > well. I wonder is this is related to the modified voting rights act? I know they didn't want to pass one until the democrats shamed them into it. Are there alternate IDs acceptable for voting? |
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Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
On 25 Jul 2006 05:33:41 -0700, wrote:
> wrote: >> On 23 Jul 2006 23:31:20 -0700, wrote: >> >> >Greg Rozelle wrote: >> >> ACLU and others will be challenging the new id laws. There is no >> >> way I could afford $100 for my drivers license. I sure hope this >> >> does not apply to all states. I also wander how much ids will cost as >> >> well. >> > >> >I wonder is this is related to the modified voting rights act? I know >> >they didn't want to pass one until the democrats shamed them into it. >> >Are there alternate IDs acceptable for voting? >> >> >> It comes from the Real Identity Act a patriot act type program to >> create tough national id programs. >> >> http://news.com.com/FAQ+How+Real+ID+...3-5697111.html >> >> iN TYTPICAL FASHION cONGRESS SNUCK IT INTO A MILITARY SPENDING BILL. > >It was an intersting read. Still, wouldn't a required payment for ID >acceptable >for voter identification be a form of poll tax unless an alternate free >ID is offered? Not unless the ID is *only* for voting, and maybe not even then. But it's a good question. :-) -- Bill Funk replace "g" with "a" |
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Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:27:15 -0700, wrote:
>On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:19:58 -0700, Bill Funk > >wrote: > >>>It was an intersting read. Still, wouldn't a required payment for ID >>>acceptable >>>for voter identification be a form of poll tax unless an alternate free >>>ID is offered? >> >>Not unless the ID is *only* for voting, and maybe not even then. >>But it's a good question. :-) > >Read the recent Georgia case: > >http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/...s/15009499.htm > >________________ >I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me. > Terence If I remember right, Georgia offers a free ID card to those who can't afford to buy one. The case referrenced is about requiring ID at all, not how much the ID costs, which is what I see this thread to be about. Personally, I'm for requiring ID. Otherwise, how do you know who is actually able/allowed to vote? An ID isn't anywhere as hard to get as some make it out to be. -- Bill Funk replace "g" with "a" |
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Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
In article >,
Bill Funk > wrote: > Personally, I'm for requiring ID. Otherwise, how do you know who is > actually able/allowed to vote? Obviously, you have never worked the polls on election day. You should try it. As a poll worker, your job is to confirm that the voter's name is registered on the rolls, match the name against the address and give the voter a ballot. The name is crossed off the roll when s/he gets his ballot. Bingo. One man, one vote. If you are not registered, your name will not be on the rolls and you will not be given a ballot. Period. If the voter gives you a false name, s/he is committing a crime with severe consequences. Like gun laws, a little enforcement would go a long way toward preventing voter fraud without introducing even more laws. Allow local registrars to confirm voter records annually and purge those they cannot. This all costs money, but if the electorate is really interested in election rectitude, this is the way to do it. Forget voter ID. It is a bad idea that will almost certainly fail any court challenges. |
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Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
> said in rec.autos.driving:
> In article >, > lid wrote: > > > Like gun laws, a little enforcement would go a long way toward > > preventing voter fraud without introducing even more laws. > > In line with tampering with votes, here in Wisconsin, the fraud occurs > at levels far above the individual voter, and includes both parties: > > Republican gubernatorial candidate Mark Green, for instance, has > accumulated over $182,000 in his campaign coffers than is permitted by > state law. Thus far, the state Elections Board has done nothing. > > On the other side of the aisle, Democratic incumbent Governor Jim > Doyle's campaign manager, Marc Marotta, is increasingly the focus of an > investigation into the connection between campaign donations and > government decisions. Marotta was previously Administration Secretary to > the Governor's office. > > I assume it is the same everywhere at every level of government. We the > voters have nauseatingly been reduced to choosing between the following > parties: > > The party of corrupt self interest > > The party of dictatorial fascism > > The party of evil fundamentalism > > BTW, to see who is responsible for these (and possibly worse) being our > only choices in elections, go into the bathroom and look in the mirror. > > This situation will continue until we all demand that our elected > officials start doing the job we gave them: serve the public (not > private companies, not churches, not foreign interests, not their own > family and friends. The Public). > > If we demand that (which is what we are due), and we do not get it > (which we are certainly NOT), we should do whatever it takes, up to and > including open rebellion, to get them out of office posthaste. If they > steal from us, get 'em out. If they lie to us, get 'em out. If they > behave like nincompoops during national emergencies, get 'em out. > > That image you see in your bathroom mirror? That's the only one who can > accomplish it. And you can't do it if you don't know what's going on. Well said. But the sad fact is that come election day - be it this years elections or the elections in 2008 and beyond - the sheeple here in these United States will just go to the polls and re-elect the same tired old purveyors of the failed establishment - or if feeling really *bold* vote in the purveyors of the previous tired old establishment which is still tired and failed. People don't have the guts to - heaven forbid - go into that election booth and vote for someone else - be it the Libertarian, the Green, the Communist or what ever. We see it in Massachusetts (the kennedy klan), Chicago (right, Brent?), FL and TX (the Bush Bozos) and all over. People bitch about the Dems and the Repubs, yet every 4 years what do we get? A Repub or Dem president eventhough there are usually at least 3 or 4 other candidates on the ballots. We keep reelecting the same tired old failures to the Congress every 2 or 6 years. And untill We The Sheeple wake up and start voting for third party or independant candidates, we will get more of the same old, same old. IOW, we get the government we deserve. <stepping down from soap box> |
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Texas driver's license to jump up to a whopping $100 or more
> Personally, I'm for requiring ID. Otherwise, how do you know who is
> actually able/allowed to vote? An ID isn't anywhere as hard to get as > some make it out to be. Really? Check this out: Note that IN ADDITION TO your original birth certificate and your original social security card, you need six more points of ID. Various other forms of ID earn points, such as (photo license from another state, 2 points, whew!) http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/idlicense.htm Basically, to get an ID in New York state, you need a hefty briefcase to organize all the paperwork you need to haul to the NY DMV. This is for a non-driver ID, BTW. -Dave |
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:37:40 -0400, "Mike T." > wrote:
>> Personally, I'm for requiring ID. Otherwise, how do you know who is >> actually able/allowed to vote? An ID isn't anywhere as hard to get as >> some make it out to be. > >Really? Check this out: > >Note that IN ADDITION TO your original birth certificate and your original >social security card, you need six more points of ID. Various other forms >of ID earn points, such as (photo license from another state, 2 points, >whew!) > >http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/idlicense.htm > >Basically, to get an ID in New York state, you need a hefty briefcase to >organize all the paperwork you need to haul to the NY DMV. This is for a >non-driver ID, BTW. -Dave > The rules allow 4 points for a passport (out of 6). The requirements for a passport are less onerous than NY requires for other ID. The other 2 points are easily provided by any honest person. As I said, this isn't as hard as many make it out to be. -- Bill Funk replace "g" with "a" |
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