See CA DMV report attached (how to interpret the Critical DrivingErrors) on this failed driving test

On 2/4/2013 1:55 PM, Joe Mastroianni wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Feb 2013 23:58:48 -0500, richard wrote:
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>> How can that be a violation?
>> The jurisdiction provided convenience by adding a second
>> turn lane so the
>> volume of traffic could be handled better.
>> IMO, the examiner was wrong on that issue.
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> I looked it up also and the examiner has the law on his side.
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> In California, you MUST first turn into the shared left turn lane
> (suicide lane) and only after driving in that lane for a while, can you
> THEN turn left.
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> You can't do it in one sweeping motion.

I don't remember seeihng it in the law, but when I learned to drive (in
California, a long time ago) we were taught and I still practice a rule
that you basically can not do anything that crosses a line marker line
until you have "been stable in the new lane". (If that was defined, I
don't know where, but everybody knew what it meant. I wish it was
enforced here, where the norm for a freeway entrance is to drive across
the point and all the lanes until you hear the rumble strip, and for
exit, check the rumble strip, then cut across all the lanes and across
the point. Entrance is done at 10 or more under the prevailing speed.
Exit speed optional.)


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On Feb 4, 11:41*am, Josh > wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 13:01:15 -0500, richard >
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> >On Sun, 03 Feb 2013 23:19:45 -0600, Larry Sheldon wrote:
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> >> On 2/3/2013 10:58 PM, richard wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 03 Feb 2013 20:45:02 -0500, Arif Khokar wrote:
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> >>>> Re-adding rec.autos.driving (since I'm subscribed to it and it's
> >>>> on-topic for this newsgroup).
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> >>>> On 2/2/2013 12:23 PM, Zen wrote:
> >>>>> My kid went with the wife to take the California DMV driving test &
> >>>>> failed.
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> >>>>> Neither the wife nor the kid seems to know WHY the DMV flunked them
> >>>>> (which I find hard to believe - but that's why I'm asking you).
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> >>>>> Here is the test result (with personal information redacted):
> >>>>> * *http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12098708.jpg
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> >>>>> I can't tell if the failure was due to one or two critical driving
> >>>>> errors, or if it was the combination of other things.
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> >>>>> Can you?
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> >>>> It looks like they failed him because he made a left turn without using
> >>>> the center left turn lane. *The "no marks in the CRITICAL DRIVING ERROR
> >>>> section" statement at the top of the form and the mark in that section
> >>>> for a "lane violation" makes it clear why they failed him.
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> >>> How can that be a violation?
> >>> The jurisdiction provided conenience by adding a second turn lane so the
> >>> volume of traffic could be handled better.
> >>> IMO, the examiner was wrong on that issue.
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> >>http://apps.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21460_5.htm
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> >> "(c) A vehicle shall not be driven in a designated two-way left-turn
> >> lane except .... A left turn or U-turn shall not be made from any other
> >> lane where a two-way left-turn lane has been designated.
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> >The only thing I can think of where such a turn would be a violation is
> >when the turning vehicle turns into the incorrect lane. Such as when there
> >is a third lane for the cross traffic. If the turning vehicle is in the
> >center turn lane, then turns into the curb lane of the cross traffic, that
> >would be a violation.
> >But, in many situations, you have a ramp to an expressway within 50 feet of
> >the turn. How else are you gonna access that ramp but to use the curb lane?
> >During a truck company driving test I did just that and was told I could be
> >cited for doing so. Just one problem, there was only one turn lane, not
> >two.
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> In California, if there is a left turn lane (including a shared center
> lane), it is indeed required to merge into and then make the turn from
> it.

I can't tell you how many times I've seen people blasting up the
middle lane. Near a big military base, usually jarheads with out of
state plates. Not much room to bail he http://goo.gl/maps/GS5sM

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> The same is true for right turns -- the proper procedure is to signal
> and merge into the dashed-line-delineated bike lane (yielding to
> cyclists in it, as with any other lane change) if there is one, and
> then make the turn. *In addition to not blocking the through lane,
> this is actually safer for cyclists, as it's clear what the car is
> doing and the bike doesn't end up to the right of the car as it hooks
> the turn from the regular lane.

That was the one thing I missed on my first driving test, when I
turned 16. Somehow I thought it was ok to go over the dashed line,
but not the solid line. Not wrong enough to fail, though I didn't
like not knowing something correctly.

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