Synthetic oil in new V6 accord? Is it worth it?

"jim beam" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>> TWW wrote:
>>
> wrote in message
egroups.com...
>>
>>
>>>You should wait until the engine is broken in before you change to
>>>synthetic. At least to 10k miles.
>>
>>
>> That information applies only to very old engine designs whose piston
>> rings need more friction to seat properly. It doesn't apply to anything
>> made in the past 15-20 years, and some cars, such as Corvettes, come
>> from the factory with Mobil 1 synthetic in them.
>
> have you ever heard of product placement?
>
> for contrast, dig around in the scion [toyota] web site & get their
> recommendation on the use of synthetics. basically, they say don't
> bother.

Doesn't exactly sound like a blanket statement for Toyota.

Do they saw NOT to use them?

Steve Bigelow wrote:
> "jim beam" > wrote in message
> ...
>
wrote:
>>
>>>TWW wrote:
>>>
>>>
> wrote in message
legroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>You should wait until the engine is broken in before you change to
>>>>synthetic. At least to 10k miles.
>>>
>>>
>>>That information applies only to very old engine designs whose piston
>>>rings need more friction to seat properly. It doesn't apply to anything
>>>made in the past 15-20 years, and some cars, such as Corvettes, come
>>>from the factory with Mobil 1 synthetic in them.
>>
>>have you ever heard of product placement?
>>
>>for contrast, dig around in the scion [toyota] web site & get their
>>recommendation on the use of synthetics. basically, they say don't
>>bother.
>
>
> Doesn't exactly sound like a blanket statement for Toyota.
>
> Do they saw NOT to use them?
>
>
you'll have to look for yourself. seems the scion site is now
flash-only, and i don't do flash. but the point is, you have one of the
most technologically advanced auto manufacturers in the world bringing
you cars that perform at 30%-50% of rated engine power for many 10's of
thousands of hours performing perfectly well on conventional oils vs.
chevy who run at 15%-25% of rated power for barely one 10 thousand hour
time block, even with synthetics.

"jim beam" > wrote in message
...
> Steve Bigelow wrote:
>> "jim beam" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
wrote:
>>>
>>>>TWW wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
> wrote in message
glegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You should wait until the engine is broken in before you change to
>>>>>synthetic. At least to 10k miles.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That information applies only to very old engine designs whose piston
>>>>rings need more friction to seat properly. It doesn't apply to anything
>>>>made in the past 15-20 years, and some cars, such as Corvettes, come
>>>>from the factory with Mobil 1 synthetic in them.
>>>
>>>have you ever heard of product placement?
>>>
>>>for contrast, dig around in the scion [toyota] web site & get their
>>>recommendation on the use of synthetics. basically, they say don't
>>>bother.
>>
>>
>> Doesn't exactly sound like a blanket statement for Toyota.
>>
>> Do they saw NOT to use them?
> you'll have to look for yourself. seems the scion site is now flash-only,
> and i don't do flash. but the point is, you have one of the most
> technologically advanced auto manufacturers in the world bringing you cars
> that perform at 30%-50% of rated engine power for many 10's of thousands
> of hours performing perfectly well on conventional oils vs. chevy who run
> at 15%-25% of rated power for barely one 10 thousand hour time block, even
> with synthetics.

Wow!
Where did you find all that info?

"Steve Bigelow" > wrote
> "jim beam" > wrote
seems the scion site is now flash-only,
> > and i don't do flash. but the point is, you have one of the most
> > technologically advanced auto manufacturers in the world bringing you
cars
> > that perform at 30%-50% of rated engine power for many 10's of thousands
> > of hours performing perfectly well on conventional oils vs. chevy who
run
> > at 15%-25% of rated power for barely one 10 thousand hour time block,
even
> > with synthetics.
>
> Wow!
> Where did you find all that info?

Ditto, although I can't quite make engineering sense of the statements
above.

Chevies will last only about 10k hours and running only at about 20% of
rated power on synthetic oil, but they last much longer and at higher powers
on conventional oil?

The only other interpretation I could make is that this is a comment on the
Chevy v. Toyota engine design, disregarding oil considerations.

Elle wrote:
> "Steve Bigelow" > wrote
>
>>"jim beam" > wrote
>
> seems the scion site is now flash-only,
>
>>>and i don't do flash. but the point is, you have one of the most
>>>technologically advanced auto manufacturers in the world bringing you
>
> cars
>
>>>that perform at 30%-50% of rated engine power for many 10's of thousands
>>>of hours performing perfectly well on conventional oils vs. chevy who
>
> run
>
>>>at 15%-25% of rated power for barely one 10 thousand hour time block,
>
> even
>
>>>with synthetics.
>>
>>Wow!
>>Where did you find all that info?
>
>
> Ditto, although I can't quite make engineering sense of the statements
> above.
>
> Chevies will last only about 10k hours and running only at about 20% of
> rated power on synthetic oil, but they last much longer and at higher powers
> on conventional oil?

eh? sorry if i confused you two. what i meant was that you have
trouble getting 10k out of a chevy, even though it's only running at a
low power percentage and running a synthetic whereas you have no trouble
getting several times more life out of a toyota running at a higher
percentage of rated output running conventional.

that work?

[i think] you raise the point about whether toyotas would last even
longer on synthetics, and maybe they would, but it seems irrelevant,
particularly if toyota has not been approached for product placement.

>
> The only other interpretation I could make is that this is a comment on the
> Chevy v. Toyota engine design, disregarding oil considerations.
>
>

"jim beam" > wrote
> Elle wrote:
> > "Steve Bigelow" > wrote
> >
> >>"jim beam" > wrote
> >
> > seems the scion site is now flash-only,
> >
> >>>and i don't do flash. but the point is, you have one of the most
> >>>technologically advanced auto manufacturers in the world bringing you
> >
> > cars
> >
> >>>that perform at 30%-50% of rated engine power for many 10's of
thousands
> >>>of hours performing perfectly well on conventional oils vs. chevy who
> >
> > run
> >
> >>>at 15%-25% of rated power for barely one 10 thousand hour time block,
> >
> > even
> >
> >>>with synthetics.
> >>
> >>Wow!
> >>Where did you find all that info?
> >
> >
> > Ditto, although I can't quite make engineering sense of the statements
> > above.
> >
> > Chevies will last only about 10k hours and running only at about 20% of
> > rated power on synthetic oil, but they last much longer and at higher
powers
> > on conventional oil?
>
> eh? sorry if i confused you two.

Your writing sucks eggs. ;-)

> what i meant was that you have
> trouble getting 10k out of a chevy, even though it's only running at a
> low power percentage and running a synthetic whereas you have no trouble
> getting several times more life out of a toyota running at a higher
> percentage of rated output running conventional.
>
> that work?

Glad I could help.

> [i think] you raise the point about whether toyotas would last even
> longer on synthetics, and maybe they would, but it seems irrelevant,
> particularly if toyota has not been approached for product placement.

Could be a lot of reasons behind this.

> > The only other interpretation I could make is that this is a comment on
the
> > Chevy v. Toyota engine design, disregarding oil considerations.

Read the above again, Jim.

If you are on the fence about synthetic, one option is Castrol Syntec
Blend 5W-20. I've used this with good results so far.


> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> zonie wrote:
>
>> I have an '04 Accord EX-L with the 4-cyl. I believe I get about 1 to 1
>> 1/2
>> miles per galoom better mileage. To me that offsets the extra cost of the
>> oil and i like the idea of better protection. Scott
>
> You do not get better gas mileage with synthetic. Phone
> 1-800-ASK-MOBIL, and they will tell you so. You may get better engine
> protection, at least with a turbocharger.
>

jim beam wrote:
> wrote:
> > TWW wrote:
> > wrote in message
> groups.com...

> >>You should wait until the engine is broken in before you change to
> >>synthetic. At least to 10k miles.

> > That information applies only to very old engine designs whose piston
> > rings need more friction to seat properly. It doesn't apply to anything
> > made in the past 15-20 years, and some cars, such as Corvettes, come
> > from the factory with Mobil 1 synthetic in them.
>
> have you ever heard of product placement?

I wouldn't rule it out, but I mentioned this only to show that 100%
synthetic could be safely used in a brand new engine.

> for contrast, dig around in the scion [toyota] web site & get their
> recommendation on the use of synthetics. basically, they say don't
> bother.

John M. Feiereisen used to post the same, and he wrote with authority:
He designed oil additive packages. His recommendation was to use the
cheapest oil with a high quality rating (www.api.org certification SJ,
SL, etc.) and the right viscosity range, except possibly for
turbocharged engines and engines operated in extremely cold climates.

> now, which is known for better longevity, chevy or toyota? [rhetorical]

In red states or blue states?

My 1991 Accord on 420000 miles with Syn. oil since day one still running
strong. Is it worth

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> jim beam wrote:
> > wrote:
> > > TWW wrote:
> > > wrote in message
> > groups.com...
>
> > >>You should wait until the engine is broken in before you change to
> > >>synthetic. At least to 10k miles.
>
> > > That information applies only to very old engine designs whose piston
> > > rings need more friction to seat properly. It doesn't apply to
anything
> > > made in the past 15-20 years, and some cars, such as Corvettes, come
> > > from the factory with Mobil 1 synthetic in them.
> >
> > have you ever heard of product placement?
>
> I wouldn't rule it out, but I mentioned this only to show that 100%
> synthetic could be safely used in a brand new engine.
>
> > for contrast, dig around in the scion [toyota] web site & get their
> > recommendation on the use of synthetics. basically, they say don't
> > bother.
>
> John M. Feiereisen used to post the same, and he wrote with authority:
> He designed oil additive packages. His recommendation was to use the
> cheapest oil with a high quality rating (www.api.org certification SJ,
> SL, etc.) and the right viscosity range, except possibly for
> turbocharged engines and engines operated in extremely cold climates.
>
> > now, which is known for better longevity, chevy or toyota? [rhetorical]
>
> In red states or blue states?
>

i had it on my 99 v6 accord and car runs fun.

i had the comptech supercharger, header and everything.

i change my tranny fluid a lot so my accord had very very less of
issue.


--
shaolin
------------------------------------------------------------------------
shaolin's Profile: http://Club3series.com876
View this thread: http://fitfreak.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2735
Discussions from http://fitfreak.net