Synthetic oil in new V6 accord? Is it worth it?

I am about to buy a 2005 V6 Accord. Since I am starting with a fresh
engine, I have considered going with synthetic oil.
However, it is not clear if the benefits are worth the added cost.
To anyone who has tried synthetic oil with their Accord, what benefits
have you noticed (smoother running, longer engine life, less engine
problems etc.)
Thanks

I have an '04 Accord EX-L with the 4-cyl. I believe I get about 1 to 1 1/2
miles per galoom better mileage. To me that offsets the extra cost of the
oil and i like the idea of better protection. Scott

I wouldn't put synthetic into a new engine. I'd wait for about 30,000km
(about 18K miles) until switching to synthetic. Taking into consideration
the high gas prices and the improved fuel efficiency obtained from using
synthetic oil, my 2000 Civic will compensate for cost of synthetic after
four fill-ups (That's after switching to mobel-1 0w20).

Pars


> wrote in message
oups.com...
> I am about to buy a 2005 V6 Accord. Since I am starting with a fresh
> engine, I have considered going with synthetic oil.
> However, it is not clear if the benefits are worth the added cost.
> To anyone who has tried synthetic oil with their Accord, what benefits
> have you noticed (smoother running, longer engine life, less engine
> problems etc.)
> Thanks
>

I have used Mobil One since it came out. I use it in everything Here's
the report
1989 Honda Accord, sold to my friend, he sold it to his brother, has
410K on the original engine, usual stuff plugs points, tires,
brakes,exhaust,body rust (In NY) but no motor job
1996 Nissan Hardbody Pick up, 318K on original motor Usual stuff, Body
rust (NY winters) but no motor job
1998 Toyota Camry 115K on original motor,usual maintence, FL car I will
keep for 250K
2001 Toyota Tundra 24K (Last PU I will ever buy)
2001 Toyota Rav 4 86K, plan on keeping 250K
I put M1 in before it was driven from the dealers lot,totally protects
the motor during start up in ANY temperature, I also use it in my 15
year old lawn mower, and my 10 year old snowblower I left in NY. My
brother now uses it, and continues to use M1.
I'd use nothing else, oh and none of my Toyota's have succumbed to the
engine sludge problem, that plague mineral oil users Use it in
confidence.


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Oh yeah,forgot about the gas mileage
Accord 89 29.86 constantly
Nissan Hardbody 27.32
Tundra had reg oil until 5K as it was a demo. It got 16mpg, w/ Mobil 1
it has been getting 21.41 with 3.4L V-6
Rav 4 26.2


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> wrote in message
oups.com...
> I am about to buy a 2005 V6 Accord. Since I am starting with a fresh
> engine, I have considered going with synthetic oil.
> However, it is not clear if the benefits are worth the added cost.
> To anyone who has tried synthetic oil with their Accord, what benefits
> have you noticed (smoother running, longer engine life, less engine
> problems etc.)
> Thanks
>
You should wait until the engine is broken in before you change to
synthetic. At least to 10k miles. A Honda mechanic I trust recommended the
change for my Prelude at 30k miles.

wrote:
> I have used Mobil One since it came out. I use it in everything Here's
> the report
> 1989 Honda Accord, sold to my friend, he sold it to his brother, has
> 410K on the original engine, usual stuff plugs points, tires,
> brakes,exhaust,body rust (In NY) but no motor job

i hate to say it, but you can get the same results on a decent quality
conventional oil as well. my crx had 305k on conventional oil and it
ran like a rocket.

> 1996 Nissan Hardbody Pick up, 318K on original motor Usual stuff, Body
> rust (NY winters) but no motor job
> 1998 Toyota Camry 115K on original motor,usual maintence, FL car I will
> keep for 250K
> 2001 Toyota Tundra 24K (Last PU I will ever buy)
> 2001 Toyota Rav 4 86K, plan on keeping 250K
> I put M1 in before it was driven from the dealers lot,totally protects
> the motor during start up in ANY temperature, I also use it in my 15
> year old lawn mower, and my 10 year old snowblower I left in NY. My
> brother now uses it, and continues to use M1.
> I'd use nothing else, oh and none of my Toyota's have succumbed to the
> engine sludge problem, that plague mineral oil users Use it in
> confidence.
>
>

zonie wrote:

> I have an '04 Accord EX-L with the 4-cyl. I believe I get about 1 to 1 1/2
> miles per galoom better mileage. To me that offsets the extra cost of the
> oil and i like the idea of better protection. Scott

You do not get better gas mileage with synthetic. Phone
1-800-ASK-MOBIL, and they will tell you so. You may get better engine
protection, at least with a turbocharger.

TWW wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...

> You should wait until the engine is broken in before you change to
> synthetic. At least to 10k miles.

That information applies only to very old engine designs whose piston
rings need more friction to seat properly. It doesn't apply to anything
made in the past 15-20 years, and some cars, such as Corvettes, come
from the factory with Mobil 1 synthetic in them. See the answer to the
5th question in the following FAQ from 1996:

----------------------------------------------------------

All
Synthetic Oil
auto

The following is quoted from Mobil Oil's fact sheet about its Mobil 1
synthetic oils. Call 1-800-ASK-MOBIL for more information.


Q: HOW OFTEN SHOULD I CHANGE OIL WHEN USING MOBIL 1?

A: A number of factors influence oil change frequency, including
your driving habits, typical road conditions and environmental
conditions. We recommend that you follow the oil and filter
change frequencies shown in your owner's manual, especially
during the warranty period. The excellent protection you get from
Mobil 1 gives you the confidence to go the full length of the
mileage or time frame recommended for changes by the
manufacturer.

Q: WHY DOESN'T MOBIL CLAIM 25,000 MILE DRAIN INTERVALS ANY MORE?

A: Each auto manufacturer develops and specifies oil and filter
requirements for their vehicles. Mobil respects their oil drain
recommendations and does not want to put the consumer in a
position that is in conflict with the auto manufacturer
recommendations. While Mobil 1 has given excellent results in
extended oil drain tests, we prefer to remain conservative with
our oil drain recommendations. We recommend that you can go all
the way to the maximum mileage or time shown in your owner's
manual for oil changes when using Mobil 1.

This allows the reserve protection capabilities of Mobil 1 to
cover unusual or unexpected driving conditions.

Q: WHAT VISCOSITY GRADE SHOULD I USE? WILL A HIGHER VISCOSITY GRADE
(15W-50) PROVIDE BETTER PROTECTION?

A: Mobil recommends that you follow your engine manufacturer's
recommendations as indicated in the owner's manual. For maximum
wear protection and maximum fuel economy, use the lightest oil
viscosity that is recommended by the engine manufacturer for the
temperature range expected. Heavier oils lower fuel economy and
rob horsepower. For normal driving conditions, 5W-30 and 10W-30
are the primary current recommendations of automotive
manufacturers.

Q: DO I NEED TO FLUSH MY ENGINE BEFORE CONVERTING TO MOBIL 1?

A: No. There is no special preparation necessary when converting
from conventional oil to Mobil 1. In fact, Mobil 1 is compatible
with conventional oil should it be necessary to mix the two.
However, the superior performance characteristics of Mobil 1 will
be reduced by diluting it with conventional oil.

Mixing different types of synthetic oils is not recommended since
different oils may be composed of different types of synthetic
stocks. Change the oil and filter before changing from another
synthetic oil to Mobil 1.

Q: WHEN CAN I START USING MOBIL 1? CAN MOBIL 1 BE USED IN AN OLDER
VEHICLE?

A: You can start using Mobil 1 in new vehicles at any time. In
fact, Mobil 1 is the factory fill for the Corvette LT-1 and LT-5
engines. One of the myths that persists about Mobil 1 is that new
engines require a break-in period with conventional oil. Current
engine manufacturing technology does not require this break-in
period. As the decision by the engineers who design the Corvette
engine indicates, Mobil 1 can be used in an engine from the day
you drive the car off the showroom floor.

Mobil 1 can be used in older vehicles with high mileage on them.
However, in older vehicles, if there is a problem with oil
consumption or leakage, it may not be economically wise to
convert it to Mobil 1 until such mechanical problems have been
corrected.

Q: WILL THE USE OF MOBIL 1 VOID MY NEW CAR WARRANTY?

A: Absolutely not. Mobil 1 exceeds the API engine oil service
requirements of all new car manufacturers. This includes both
American and foreign-made autos. The only exception to this is
the Mazda RX-7 rotary engine which recommends against using any
synthetic oil.

Q: CAN I OR SHOULD I USE ADDITIVE SUPPLEMENTS AND/OR ENGINE
TREATMENTS WITH MOBIL 1?

A: We DO NOT recommend the use of any additive supplements or engine
treatments with Mobil 1. Mobil 1 has been formulated to greatly
exceed the most severe industry and engine manufacturers'
requirements. Using additive supplements will not improve the
long-term performance of Mobil 1, and our tests indicated that
use may actually degrade product performance. The American
Petroleum Institute (API) and American Automobile Manufacturers
Association (AAMA) have stated that "certified oils eliminate the
need for supplemental engine oil additives."

Tests have shown that some additive supplements may significantly
alter the performance and properties of any lubricant. In
several cases, additive supplements have been detrimental to
viscosity, storage stability and reduced protection against the
formation of deposits.

wrote:
> TWW wrote:
>
> wrote in message
groups.com...
>
>
>>You should wait until the engine is broken in before you change to
>>synthetic. At least to 10k miles.
>
>
> That information applies only to very old engine designs whose piston
> rings need more friction to seat properly. It doesn't apply to anything
> made in the past 15-20 years, and some cars, such as Corvettes, come
> from the factory with Mobil 1 synthetic in them.

have you ever heard of product placement?

for contrast, dig around in the scion [toyota] web site & get their
recommendation on the use of synthetics. basically, they say don't
bother.

now, which is known for better longevity, chevy or toyota? [rhetorical]


> See the answer to the
> 5th question in the following FAQ from 1996:
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> All
> Synthetic Oil
> auto
>
> The following is quoted from Mobil Oil's fact sheet about its Mobil 1
> synthetic oils. Call 1-800-ASK-MOBIL for more information.
>
>
> Q: HOW OFTEN SHOULD I CHANGE OIL WHEN USING MOBIL 1?
>
> A: A number of factors influence oil change frequency, including
> your driving habits, typical road conditions and environmental
> conditions. We recommend that you follow the oil and filter
> change frequencies shown in your owner's manual, especially
> during the warranty period. The excellent protection you get from
> Mobil 1 gives you the confidence to go the full length of the
> mileage or time frame recommended for changes by the
> manufacturer.
>
> Q: WHY DOESN'T MOBIL CLAIM 25,000 MILE DRAIN INTERVALS ANY MORE?
>
> A: Each auto manufacturer develops and specifies oil and filter
> requirements for their vehicles. Mobil respects their oil drain
> recommendations and does not want to put the consumer in a
> position that is in conflict with the auto manufacturer
> recommendations. While Mobil 1 has given excellent results in
> extended oil drain tests, we prefer to remain conservative with
> our oil drain recommendations. We recommend that you can go all
> the way to the maximum mileage or time shown in your owner's
> manual for oil changes when using Mobil 1.
>
> This allows the reserve protection capabilities of Mobil 1 to
> cover unusual or unexpected driving conditions.
>
> Q: WHAT VISCOSITY GRADE SHOULD I USE? WILL A HIGHER VISCOSITY GRADE
> (15W-50) PROVIDE BETTER PROTECTION?
>
> A: Mobil recommends that you follow your engine manufacturer's
> recommendations as indicated in the owner's manual. For maximum
> wear protection and maximum fuel economy, use the lightest oil
> viscosity that is recommended by the engine manufacturer for the
> temperature range expected. Heavier oils lower fuel economy and
> rob horsepower. For normal driving conditions, 5W-30 and 10W-30
> are the primary current recommendations of automotive
> manufacturers.
>
> Q: DO I NEED TO FLUSH MY ENGINE BEFORE CONVERTING TO MOBIL 1?
>
> A: No. There is no special preparation necessary when converting
> from conventional oil to Mobil 1. In fact, Mobil 1 is compatible
> with conventional oil should it be necessary to mix the two.
> However, the superior performance characteristics of Mobil 1 will
> be reduced by diluting it with conventional oil.
>
> Mixing different types of synthetic oils is not recommended since
> different oils may be composed of different types of synthetic
> stocks. Change the oil and filter before changing from another
> synthetic oil to Mobil 1.
>
> Q: WHEN CAN I START USING MOBIL 1? CAN MOBIL 1 BE USED IN AN OLDER
> VEHICLE?
>
> A: You can start using Mobil 1 in new vehicles at any time. In
> fact, Mobil 1 is the factory fill for the Corvette LT-1 and LT-5
> engines. One of the myths that persists about Mobil 1 is that new
> engines require a break-in period with conventional oil. Current
> engine manufacturing technology does not require this break-in
> period. As the decision by the engineers who design the Corvette
> engine indicates, Mobil 1 can be used in an engine from the day
> you drive the car off the showroom floor.
>
> Mobil 1 can be used in older vehicles with high mileage on them.
> However, in older vehicles, if there is a problem with oil
> consumption or leakage, it may not be economically wise to
> convert it to Mobil 1 until such mechanical problems have been
> corrected.
>
> Q: WILL THE USE OF MOBIL 1 VOID MY NEW CAR WARRANTY?
>
> A: Absolutely not. Mobil 1 exceeds the API engine oil service
> requirements of all new car manufacturers. This includes both
> American and foreign-made autos. The only exception to this is
> the Mazda RX-7 rotary engine which recommends against using any
> synthetic oil.
>
> Q: CAN I OR SHOULD I USE ADDITIVE SUPPLEMENTS AND/OR ENGINE
> TREATMENTS WITH MOBIL 1?
>
> A: We DO NOT recommend the use of any additive supplements or engine
> treatments with Mobil 1. Mobil 1 has been formulated to greatly
> exceed the most severe industry and engine manufacturers'
> requirements. Using additive supplements will not improve the
> long-term performance of Mobil 1, and our tests indicated that
> use may actually degrade product performance. The American
> Petroleum Institute (API) and American Automobile Manufacturers
> Association (AAMA) have stated that "certified oils eliminate the
> need for supplemental engine oil additives."
>
> Tests have shown that some additive supplements may significantly
> alter the performance and properties of any lubricant. In
> several cases, additive supplements have been detrimental to
> viscosity, storage stability and reduced protection against the
> formation of deposits.
>