A Cars forum. AutoBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AutoBanter forum » Auto makers » Mazda
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Install NB Factory Cruise Control



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old April 14th 09, 04:37 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
Geary Morton
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 46
Default Install NB Factory Cruise Control

I just finished installing the factory cruise control in my '99 (NB)
Miata and thought I would share some observations about installing the
various components in an NB that differ somewhat from either what is
written in www.miata.net Garage/Interior/Factory Cruise Control
Installation, or the factory Workshop Manual. I have submitted all this
to Miata.net but thought if you're contemplating this mod, you might
find this interesting. It assumes you have read John Minor's fine
article on doing the mod to an NA.

MASTER SWITCH - There are two variations of this switch in the '99. One
is for cars that have fog lights, and it has two push button switches in
a single module. The other is for cars without fog lights, and it is a
single rocker switch in the same size module. I mistakenly ordered the
dual switch, thinking I would eventually install fog lights, only to
find that it has a different number of pins than the connector on my
non-fog wiring harness. Unless you want to do some cutting and
splicing, order the right switch!

Also, if you are replacing the factory blank with a master switch, I
would NOT go to the trouble of trying to release the blank by squeezing
the hook clips from behind. It's nearly impossible to get to without
dismantling lots of things in the way. Instead, I would pry and 'worry'
the thing out from the front, even if you have to break it a little.
You will find the connector for the new switch living in the back of the
blank. Simply unplug it from the blank, plug it into the new master
switch, and push the switch back into the rectangular hole, making sure
you install it right side up. Once it clicks into place, it's there for
good!

VACUUM SERVO - Installation is very much as described, except that there
are only two fasteners - one bolt that goes into a threaded hole in the
fender and one nut that goes on a stud that's already there. The servo
I bought (on ebay) had five rubber grommets on its mounting bracket, but
only two were used for mounting purposes. The others simply serve as
additional cushioning. My unit was off an '01 and came with both the
actuating cable and the vacuum hose attached (nice). There is a square
plug in the firewall that pops out, along with a square knockout in the
fiber insulating mat inside that is easy to push out. The cable simply
snaps into this hole and can live there indefinitely until you're ready
to deal with the pedals. There is also a support stud on the cable
housing that snaps into a diagonal square hole on the inboard side of
the brake fluid reservoir. The vacuum hose goes across the upper
firewall and plugs into the back of the intake manifold. Mine had a
little rubber stopper covering the fitting on the manifold which I
simply removed. What was a little confusing were a couple of support
studs on an insulating sleeve that came on the vacuum hose. I couldn't
find any holes that would accept these, so I went on ebay where you can
find pretty good engine compartment shots of just about any car they
might have for sale (good to remember). Anyway, I figured out that the
'01 had the cable routed slightly different from the '99, and I simply
used tie wraps to secure my hose in a manner that appears to be correct
for my model.

CONTROL MODULE - The module installs exactly as described. If you have
a Workshop Manual, it will lead you on a wild goose chase where you have
to remove the key interlock mechanism. I have no idea what that's
about, as this is nowhere near where the module mounts. I think it must
be a misprint. The 'HOLD' indicator is actually a 'CRUISE' indicator on
NB's (to the left of the fuel gauge), and it requires no special wiring
for it to work!

STALK CONTROLS - This went pretty much as described with some minor
variations. I chose to remove the air bag and the wheel. It's really
not hard at all. The air bag comes off with just two 10mm bolts on the
NB. I find that if you loosen the big nut on the wheel without
completely removing it, you can then give the wheel a few good jerks to
free it from the spline without shifting its position. After that you
can center it carefully and gently remove the nut and the wheel. Next
is the clockspring, and as long as you're careful not to turn it after
it's removed , you won't have any problems. What was the biggest
problem for me was removing the bottom panel under the steering column.
It is secured by 2 Phillips screws near the bottom edge of the dash, and
two 10mm nuts that are fairly difficult to get to. I found that the one
on the left was easiest to access through the fuse access hole after I
loosened the fuse block and pushed it out of the way. The nut on the
right can be reached (with some difficulty) from behind the bottom edge
of the dash. I used a small 10mm combination wrench on both. Once that
cover is off, the connector is easily accessed, and the cluster switch
is simple to swap out with the new one.

PEDAL ASSEMBLY - This proved to be the most challenging for me, as there
were some differences in the assembly I bought on ebay and my existing
unit. I decided it was going to be too much trouble to change out the
bracket and both pedals (gas & brake), so I decided to make the newer
fuel pedal work in the old bracket and simply replace the old stoplight
switch with the newer stoplight/cruise switch. The problem was that
the newer bracket had nylon bushings where the gas pedal pivoted and my
bracket didn't. Newer NB owners shouldn't have this problem. The holes
in my bracket were the correct diameter for the pivot rod, but no room
for the bushings, and the old pedal didn't use a circlip to secure it.
Instead it had a 'top hat' (for lack of a better term) press over the
end of the pivot shaft. This had to be pried and 'worried' off with
considerable foul language. After I got it off and tried to insert the
new pedal shaft in the holes, I found that there was too much side play,
as the bushings in the newer bracket were shouldered and gave some side
support. So, I had to find two washers that fit reasonably well over
the pivot shaft and were about a thick as the shoulders on the nylon
bushings. That did the trick. The only challenge after that was
putting the circlips on the pivot shafts of the pedal and the secondary
'cruise arm' without losing them. I found that needle-nosed pliers
worked well for this. Don't forget to put the pedal spring on (as I
did) before you install the circlip. Oh, and the nylon bushings for the
secondary 'cruise arm' fit perfectly in the original bracket. The
cables simply snap into the pedal arm and the cruise arm, and I did that
last.

The stoplight switch is easy to replace, and the new one should be
adjusted far enough into the bracket that the switch plunger is
completely (or almost completely) compressed when the brake pedal is
released. If you don't do this, the cruise will not engage. Oh, the
little two wire cruise connector can be found tucked away about 10
inches back up the stoplight cable. It took me 20 minutes to find it.
It plugs into the stoplight switch next to the stoplight cable.

Finally, it's worth mentioning that the clutch switch that prevents
starting without depressing is also tied into the cruise circuit, i.e.
nothing to do here. It's already done. If you depress the clutch
pedal, the cruise disengages.

I would reckon that my total time for this installation was about 8
hours, but part of that was due to the fact that I was/am slow, and I
was having to discover quite a few things on my own. I'm very please
with the end results. The cruise control performs exactly as you would
expect from factory unit. Anyone interested in doing this mod is
welcome to email with questions.

--Geary Morton
'99 Emerald Mica
Ads
  #2  
Old April 16th 09, 12:24 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
Chris D'Agnolo[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 587
Default Install NB Factory Cruise Control

Man, I need to do that. It looks like a pretty serious project. I can't
focus on it long enough to read your whole post so, what's the chances of me
doing an 8 hr install? Oh boy. And yes, I'm probably as slow (or slower)
than you ;-)

Chris
99BBB(non cc)

"Geary Morton" > wrote in message
...
>I just finished installing the factory cruise control in my '99 (NB)
> Miata and thought I would share some observations about installing the
> various components in an NB that differ somewhat from either what is
> written in www.miata.net Garage/Interior/Factory Cruise Control
> Installation, or the factory Workshop Manual. I have submitted all this
> to Miata.net but thought if you're contemplating this mod, you might
> find this interesting. It assumes you have read John Minor's fine
> article on doing the mod to an NA.
>
> MASTER SWITCH - There are two variations of this switch in the '99. One
> is for cars that have fog lights, and it has two push button switches in
> a single module. The other is for cars without fog lights, and it is a
> single rocker switch in the same size module. I mistakenly ordered the
> dual switch, thinking I would eventually install fog lights, only to
> find that it has a different number of pins than the connector on my
> non-fog wiring harness. Unless you want to do some cutting and
> splicing, order the right switch!
>
> Also, if you are replacing the factory blank with a master switch, I
> would NOT go to the trouble of trying to release the blank by squeezing
> the hook clips from behind. It's nearly impossible to get to without
> dismantling lots of things in the way. Instead, I would pry and 'worry'
> the thing out from the front, even if you have to break it a little.
> You will find the connector for the new switch living in the back of the
> blank. Simply unplug it from the blank, plug it into the new master
> switch, and push the switch back into the rectangular hole, making sure
> you install it right side up. Once it clicks into place, it's there for
> good!
>
> VACUUM SERVO - Installation is very much as described, except that there
> are only two fasteners - one bolt that goes into a threaded hole in the
> fender and one nut that goes on a stud that's already there. The servo
> I bought (on ebay) had five rubber grommets on its mounting bracket, but
> only two were used for mounting purposes. The others simply serve as
> additional cushioning. My unit was off an '01 and came with both the
> actuating cable and the vacuum hose attached (nice). There is a square
> plug in the firewall that pops out, along with a square knockout in the
> fiber insulating mat inside that is easy to push out. The cable simply
> snaps into this hole and can live there indefinitely until you're ready
> to deal with the pedals. There is also a support stud on the cable
> housing that snaps into a diagonal square hole on the inboard side of
> the brake fluid reservoir. The vacuum hose goes across the upper
> firewall and plugs into the back of the intake manifold. Mine had a
> little rubber stopper covering the fitting on the manifold which I
> simply removed. What was a little confusing were a couple of support
> studs on an insulating sleeve that came on the vacuum hose. I couldn't
> find any holes that would accept these, so I went on ebay where you can
> find pretty good engine compartment shots of just about any car they
> might have for sale (good to remember). Anyway, I figured out that the
> '01 had the cable routed slightly different from the '99, and I simply
> used tie wraps to secure my hose in a manner that appears to be correct
> for my model.
>
> CONTROL MODULE - The module installs exactly as described. If you have
> a Workshop Manual, it will lead you on a wild goose chase where you have
> to remove the key interlock mechanism. I have no idea what that's
> about, as this is nowhere near where the module mounts. I think it must
> be a misprint. The 'HOLD' indicator is actually a 'CRUISE' indicator on
> NB's (to the left of the fuel gauge), and it requires no special wiring
> for it to work!
>
> STALK CONTROLS - This went pretty much as described with some minor
> variations. I chose to remove the air bag and the wheel. It's really
> not hard at all. The air bag comes off with just two 10mm bolts on the
> NB. I find that if you loosen the big nut on the wheel without
> completely removing it, you can then give the wheel a few good jerks to
> free it from the spline without shifting its position. After that you
> can center it carefully and gently remove the nut and the wheel. Next
> is the clockspring, and as long as you're careful not to turn it after
> it's removed , you won't have any problems. What was the biggest
> problem for me was removing the bottom panel under the steering column.
> It is secured by 2 Phillips screws near the bottom edge of the dash, and
> two 10mm nuts that are fairly difficult to get to. I found that the one
> on the left was easiest to access through the fuse access hole after I
> loosened the fuse block and pushed it out of the way. The nut on the
> right can be reached (with some difficulty) from behind the bottom edge
> of the dash. I used a small 10mm combination wrench on both. Once that
> cover is off, the connector is easily accessed, and the cluster switch
> is simple to swap out with the new one.
>
> PEDAL ASSEMBLY - This proved to be the most challenging for me, as there
> were some differences in the assembly I bought on ebay and my existing
> unit. I decided it was going to be too much trouble to change out the
> bracket and both pedals (gas & brake), so I decided to make the newer
> fuel pedal work in the old bracket and simply replace the old stoplight
> switch with the newer stoplight/cruise switch. The problem was that
> the newer bracket had nylon bushings where the gas pedal pivoted and my
> bracket didn't. Newer NB owners shouldn't have this problem. The holes
> in my bracket were the correct diameter for the pivot rod, but no room
> for the bushings, and the old pedal didn't use a circlip to secure it.
> Instead it had a 'top hat' (for lack of a better term) press over the
> end of the pivot shaft. This had to be pried and 'worried' off with
> considerable foul language. After I got it off and tried to insert the
> new pedal shaft in the holes, I found that there was too much side play,
> as the bushings in the newer bracket were shouldered and gave some side
> support. So, I had to find two washers that fit reasonably well over
> the pivot shaft and were about a thick as the shoulders on the nylon
> bushings. That did the trick. The only challenge after that was
> putting the circlips on the pivot shafts of the pedal and the secondary
> 'cruise arm' without losing them. I found that needle-nosed pliers
> worked well for this. Don't forget to put the pedal spring on (as I
> did) before you install the circlip. Oh, and the nylon bushings for the
> secondary 'cruise arm' fit perfectly in the original bracket. The
> cables simply snap into the pedal arm and the cruise arm, and I did that
> last.
>
> The stoplight switch is easy to replace, and the new one should be
> adjusted far enough into the bracket that the switch plunger is
> completely (or almost completely) compressed when the brake pedal is
> released. If you don't do this, the cruise will not engage. Oh, the
> little two wire cruise connector can be found tucked away about 10
> inches back up the stoplight cable. It took me 20 minutes to find it.
> It plugs into the stoplight switch next to the stoplight cable.
>
> Finally, it's worth mentioning that the clutch switch that prevents
> starting without depressing is also tied into the cruise circuit, i.e.
> nothing to do here. It's already done. If you depress the clutch
> pedal, the cruise disengages.
>
> I would reckon that my total time for this installation was about 8
> hours, but part of that was due to the fact that I was/am slow, and I
> was having to discover quite a few things on my own. I'm very please
> with the end results. The cruise control performs exactly as you would
> expect from factory unit. Anyone interested in doing this mod is
> welcome to email with questions.
>
> --Geary Morton
> '99 Emerald Mica


  #3  
Old April 16th 09, 06:58 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
Geary Morton
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 46
Default Install NB Factory Cruise Control

In article >,
"Chris D'Agnolo" > wrote:

> Man, I need to do that. It looks like a pretty serious project. I can't
> focus on it long enough to read your whole post so, what's the chances of me
> doing an 8 hr install? Oh boy. And yes, I'm probably as slow (or slower)
> than you ;-)
>
> Chris
> 99BBB(non cc)
>


I think you could easily do it in 8 hours with the information I've
given. There's really no brain surgery involved - just a little
patience here & there. My total cost was around $170, but I shopped
around on ebay for the best deal on each component. Panic Motorsports
will sell you everything you need for $200 which saves all the looking
around and dealing with several different people.

The result is really worth the effort. The cruise works as well as any
I've ever seen, and to be able to shift your legs around a little on a
trip makes a huge difference.

Feel free to email if you have questions. I just did this a few days
ago, so everything will be fresh in my mind for awhile.

Geary
99 Emerald Mica
  #4  
Old April 17th 09, 12:27 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
Chris D'Agnolo[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 587
Default Install NB Factory Cruise Control

Thanks Geary! Glad it works well for you.

Chris
99BBB


"Geary Morton" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Chris D'Agnolo" > wrote:
>
>> Man, I need to do that. It looks like a pretty serious project. I can't
>> focus on it long enough to read your whole post so, what's the chances of
>> me
>> doing an 8 hr install? Oh boy. And yes, I'm probably as slow (or slower)
>> than you ;-)
>>
>> Chris
>> 99BBB(non cc)
>>

>
> I think you could easily do it in 8 hours with the information I've
> given. There's really no brain surgery involved - just a little
> patience here & there. My total cost was around $170, but I shopped
> around on ebay for the best deal on each component. Panic Motorsports
> will sell you everything you need for $200 which saves all the looking
> around and dealing with several different people.
>
> The result is really worth the effort. The cruise works as well as any
> I've ever seen, and to be able to shift your legs around a little on a
> trip makes a huge difference.
>
> Feel free to email if you have questions. I just did this a few days
> ago, so everything will be fresh in my mind for awhile.
>
> Geary
> 99 Emerald Mica


 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2002TJ Cruise Factory Cruise Install RickB Jeep 1 March 11th 06 06:33 PM
How Install control arm bushings 87 325i? J & J BMW 4 March 1st 06 12:52 PM
How do you install a heater control valve on a 1990 Plymouth Acclaim 2.5? PhillyGirl26 Dodge 1 October 26th 05 07:08 PM
oem or aftermarket cr. control-diy install-tacoma-99? patrick mitchel Technology 1 April 29th 05 05:08 AM
2004 Cavalier adding factory cruise kwkride Technology 1 March 17th 05 04:07 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:27 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 AutoBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.