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In article >, K Smythe wrote:
> It was done for profit, and not the profit of the average American > citizen. From stability comes profit. Those that profit from the status quo control the US government. Nothing seems to be about the average citizen these days unless it's about taking from him, watching him, or controlling him. |
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In article >, L Sternn wrote:
> Just because Kyoto is a bad idea doesn't mean that CO2 isn't > contributing to warming. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. But what I see is people with an agenda pushing that it is. That makes me suspicious. |
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"Magnulus" > wrote in message ... > > In Europe, somebody who is too poor to afford the fuel for a car often has > alternatives, this is not the case in the US except for the major cities. > And alot of the US population does not live in these cities. It's the same in most of Europe if you don't live in a major town then you need a car for daily life. We just accept it and have to find other things we can do without (hence the general lack of massive TVs, smaller homes, smaller cars with smaller engines) |
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Christian McArdle wrote:
>>Since you folks in Europe have had $5/gallon gas for years >>(thanks to high taxes), what's happening to gas prices over >>there in Europe? Are they going to hit $10/gallon soon? > > > Because the prices are mostly tax, and this is largely set in absolute > terms, rather than a percentage, we are insulated from much of the > fluctuation in the price of the base product. > > People grumble about the price, but deep down know that petroleum use is bad > due to climate change, so the grumbling is not as loud as it might be. > > Christian. 97% of "green house gases" have natural causes, only 3% are man made. Of those 3%, over one third are caused by the production of electricity. 20% are caused by petrol and diesel transport. Why don't governments worldwide tax electricity at at least the same rate they tax petrol and diesel? Because that would be political suicide. It's much easier to convince Joe Everybody that the gases coming out the back of his car are destroying the planet. Yet, when the average person switches on a heater instead of putting a jumper on, there are no extra smelly gases being visibly released out the back of his house, that's happening a few hundred k's away. I don't know of any government who spends as much money on road infrastructure and/or alternative fuel research, as they take in from petrol taxes. If anyone in a position of power were serious about "saving the planet" they'd be investing billions. With all governments, everything is all about easy revenue. Stuff the people, if the bottom line looks better, that's all that matters. |
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"Depresion" > wrote in message ... > It's the same in most of Europe if you don't live in a major town then you need > a car for daily life. We just accept it and have to find other things we can do > without (hence the general lack of massive TVs, smaller homes, smaller cars with > smaller engines) The UK is closer to the US in that respect, as is Australia, as the number of cars per person is closer to the US... but in other parts of Europe the population has fewer cars- usually less than 1 car for every 2-3 people. Eastern Europe, Russia, and China have even fewer cars, less than one car for every 5-100 people. Not everybody in the US has a big TV, either... especially if they are smart about managing credit. The US has plenty of people living well beyond their means who are only a stones throw away from the Repo man, but not all of us are like that. Small houses, OTOH, are harder to get. Housing prices have shot up, and often developers seem to favor gargantuan houses in the "better" neighborhoods. Sure, you can get smaller houses and apartments- if you don't mind living a stones throw away from a drug dealer or gang member. |
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"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message ... > Here in the US the top story recently has been the large upward spike > in gasoline prices. Some have predicted that gasoline will top > $5/gallon by next year, up from $2.50/gallon today. Since you folks in > Europe have had $5/gallon gas for years (thanks to high taxes), what's > happening to gas prices over there in Europe? Are they going to hit > $10/gallon soon? Is the price of gas the top story on your local TV > news? > > Signed, > > Curious I'd be interested in how it compares if you factor in the average MPG of cars on British roads with cars on US roads. I assume there is evidence somewhere when the press always mentions US 'gas guzzlers' Chris. |
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"Magnulus" wrote
> In Europe, somebody who is too poor to afford the fuel for a car often has > alternatives, this is not the case in the US except for the major cities. Although I live in an urban area (>500000 inhabitants), I would need 55 min for 10 km with public transport to my office. My bicycle is faster. Our individual alternatives are - car pools - small cars (3 cylinders, 1 litre displacement, 4-5 litres / 100km) - small motorcycles (2-3 litres / 100km) - bicycles - stay at home, receiving social aid. It's this last point, which seems quite attractive to many people. That's a major problem. Thomas |
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In article >, Magnulus wrote:
> of us are like that. Small houses, OTOH, are harder to get. Housing prices > have shot up, and often developers seem to favor gargantuan houses in the > "better" neighborhoods. Sure, you can get smaller houses and apartments- if > you don't mind living a stones throw away from a drug dealer or gang member. If you want smaller you simply have to buy older properties. There are many good areas with smaller homes. |
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