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  #41  
Old February 26th 05, 07:37 PM
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On 26 Feb 2005 17:09:25 GMT, Grant Edwards > wrote:

>r extended cloth-top-up driving as well. The
>hard-top is queit enough that it doesn't bother me.
>
>You do have to turn the stereo up pretty high to hear it
>through the earplugs...

Has anyone tried the active noise cancelling headphones. I noticed
that Sony's are now a stock item at Walmart at about 55. I was
thinknig about the Bose but at 300 and bannedby the nanny state is
certain locales, I don't know if they are worth it.
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  #43  
Old February 26th 05, 10:27 PM
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"Chuck" > wrote in message
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>Then since my 99 is turbocharged, I changed the
>tranny fifth gear ratio. (Noticeable improvement.)


pray tell, what/where was the source of parts for your tranny mod ???

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  #44  
Old February 26th 05, 10:36 PM
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Guys its a open top sports car

It was designed to be noisy, that's part of the appeal of a sports car.

Do you guys add cola to Champaign?
Chew on a stick of gum while eating caviar?

It really is an eye opener for me to see how, a few of you guys across the
pond differ from the majority of Europeans.

I have many people that have become mates through MX-5 ownership, throughout
the world, a fair number have done regular long trips, and I have never
heard 1 person, either driver or passenger, complain about the noise.

I just hope car designers look through forums like this to gauge feelings
and interests.

If they do, please guys design your SPORTS CAR to be a wind in your hair
spitting bugs sporty car,
Then give an option of a Lux pack, with extra, heavy sound proofing quiet
exhaust, super soft suspension, extra boot space, maybe 2 more seats in the
back for the kids, and maybe a roof because it does get cold in winter.
As an idea you could call your new car a family car or an SUV.

If you don't like the noise buy a hard top, or a SUV, a sports care should
be a full sensory experience.

Cheers Mark.


"Chuck" > wrote in message
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> My chief complaint on a long trip is the engine "drone". Since my 99
> was/is used for 500 mile or more (one way) trips, I decided that short of
> earplugs, something was needed. First, I installed the noise damping kit
> in the trunk. (Some minor improvement) Then since my 99 is turbocharged, I
> changed the tranny fifth gear ratio. (Noticeable improvement.)
> The final and most effective thing is to stuff Coats and similar soft
> items in the sides of the soft-top well next to the driver and passenger.
> (Very noticeable difference) A source of subsonic (usually) noise is the
> flapping of the glass rear window. I have no effective simple solution for
> this-- everything I've tried blocks part of the view thru the rear
> window.
>
> .
> "gixer" > wrote in message
> ...
>> The real Beetle was what ran through my mind,
>> And I think you have it covered thanks Ken.
>> I would just like to add, extremely bad seats, position, material and
>> support.
>> And I don't know if it was just the few I drove, but the vibrations were
>> enough to shake your fillings out.
>>
>> Cheers Mark.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Ken Lyons" > wrote in message
>> news:7AMTd.46753$uc.37453@trnddc03...
>>> "Natman" > wrote
>>>> What exactly are the qualities of a VW Beetle that make it unsuitable
>>>> for a long freeway trip?
>>>
>>> I guess that depends on whether Mark was referring to the "real" Beetle
>>> or
>>> the gussified VW Golf. Lack of horsepower, lack of air conditioning,
>>> poor
>>> heating and constant rattle from corroded exhaust extensions are a few
>>> of
>>> the reasons I can think of for the real Beetle.
>>> --
>>> Ken Lyons '97 Brilliant Black/'90 Classic Red
>>> Inside the Beltway
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>



  #45  
Old February 27th 05, 12:41 AM
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 23:36:12 +0200, "gixer" > wrote:

>Guys its a open top sports car
>
>It was designed to be noisy, that's part of the appeal of a sports car.
>
>Do you guys add cola to Champaign?
>Chew on a stick of gum while eating caviar?
>
>It really is an eye opener for me to see how, a few of you guys across the
>pond differ from the majority of Europeans.
>
>I have many people that have become mates through MX-5 ownership, throughout
>the world, a fair number have done regular long trips, and I have never
>heard 1 person, either driver or passenger, complain about the noise.
>


We put ICE in our tea.

And what constitutes a long trip is a matter of perspective. The CIA
fact book gives a surface area for Greece of 131,940 sq km. In
contrast, my home state of Texas is 692588 sq. km.

From Houston to Dallas (the next big town) is approximately 400 km. It
is not unusual for someone to drive, for business reasons, and return
the same day. This is all Freeway driving in fairly heavy traffic and
high speeds with minimal enjoyment of the trip.

Outside of metropolitan areas, European intercity traffic appears to
be fairly light. Here, the traffic is much heavier, and
unfortunately, the drivers much loopier (with a high proportion of
immigrants, yankees that rode the train to work and never drove, and
people talking on their cell phones)

Besides this thread started with a transcontinental trip. I used to
do 1450 km from Lafayette, Louisiana to Miami Florida, or back, in 16
hours fairly regular. That was about as fast as I could go because of
the heavy traffic. When you pull a drive like that you want all the
help you can get.
  #46  
Old February 27th 05, 12:43 AM
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On 2005-02-26, gixer > wrote:

> Guys its a open top sports car


No kidding.

> It was designed to be noisy, that's part of the appeal of a sports car.


Sure, permanent hearing loss sounds fun and glamorous at first,
but it really isn't.

> Do you guys add cola to Champaign?


No! That would be waste of good cola.

> Chew on a stick of gum while eating caviar?


I don't like cavier.

> It really is an eye opener for me to see how, a few of you
> guys across the pond differ from the majority of Europeans.


Dude, I know people who think that the word "deaf" means
cool, but they don't mean it _literally_.

> I have many people that have become mates through MX-5 ownership, throughout
> the world, a fair number have done regular long trips, and I have never
> heard 1 person, either driver or passenger, complain about the noise.


I don't _have_ to complain about it. I wear earplugs. Problem
solved.

> I just hope car designers look through forums like this to
> gauge feelings and interests.
>
> If they do, please guys design your SPORTS CAR to be a wind in
> your hair spitting bugs sporty car, Then give an option of a
> Lux pack, with extra, heavy sound proofing quiet exhaust,
> super soft suspension, extra boot space, maybe 2 more seats in
> the back for the kids, and maybe a roof because it does get
> cold in winter. As an idea you could call your new car a
> family car or an SUV.


No thanks, I don't want any of that stuff, and I don't recall
every saying that I did. I'm not all that keen on power
steering and power brakes in a car the size of an MX-5.

> If you don't like the noise buy a hard top, or a SUV, a sports
> care should be a full sensory experience.


Why, when a 10 cent set of earplugs prevents the hearing damage
while still allowing me to enjoy the car? Just because my
hearing isn't being damaged doesn't mean I can't hear the
engine, the tires on the road, and the car in my blind spot.
Perhaps your ears are shot, but mine still have 80-90dB of
dynamic range. Reducing 80dB SPL noise by 30dB doesn't make it
inaudible, it just makes it non-damaging.

If you want to damage your hearing, that's your business. I
don't, so I wear earplugs when exposed to dangerous sound
levels. I wear a full-face helmet and protective cloathing when
I ride my motorcycle. I suppose that makes me a sissy, since
motorcycling should be a bugs-in-your teeth and eyes, loose
most of your skin and spend two months in the burn ward when
you crash sort of experience.

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  #47  
Old February 27th 05, 12:58 AM
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"gixer" > wrote:

>Guys its a open top sports car
>
>It was designed to be noisy, that's part of the appeal of a sports car.
>
>Do you guys add cola to Champaign?
>Chew on a stick of gum while eating caviar?
>
>It really is an eye opener for me to see how, a few of you guys across the
>pond differ from the majority of Europeans.
>
>I have many people that have become mates through MX-5 ownership, throughout
>the world, a fair number have done regular long trips, and I have never
>heard 1 person, either driver or passenger, complain about the noise.


Strange. Some trucks on the Interstate next to your ear can be
positively deafening unless the windows and windstop are up.

Maybe we just have bigger trucks up here. Or better jakes.

The only other noise I find to become a nuisance on those 12 hour
days is the wind noise around the power antenna. No problems
with windows, gear box, exhaust, engine noise or whatever. I
pull the power antenna fuse if it becomes too much. (Use a
MP3 player on long trips, anyway.)

Leon

>I just hope car designers look through forums like this to gauge feelings
>and interests.
>
>If they do, please guys design your SPORTS CAR to be a wind in your hair
>spitting bugs sporty car,
>Then give an option of a Lux pack, with extra, heavy sound proofing quiet
>exhaust, super soft suspension, extra boot space, maybe 2 more seats in the
>back for the kids, and maybe a roof because it does get cold in winter.
>As an idea you could call your new car a family car or an SUV.
>
>If you don't like the noise buy a hard top, or a SUV, a sports care should
>be a full sensory experience.
>
>Cheers Mark.
>
>
>"Chuck" > wrote in message
>news:mV0Ud.2830$Hs.1591@okepread04...
>> My chief complaint on a long trip is the engine "drone". Since my 99
>> was/is used for 500 mile or more (one way) trips, I decided that short of
>> earplugs, something was needed. First, I installed the noise damping kit
>> in the trunk. (Some minor improvement) Then since my 99 is turbocharged, I
>> changed the tranny fifth gear ratio. (Noticeable improvement.)
>> The final and most effective thing is to stuff Coats and similar soft
>> items in the sides of the soft-top well next to the driver and passenger.
>> (Very noticeable difference) A source of subsonic (usually) noise is the
>> flapping of the glass rear window. I have no effective simple solution for
>> this-- everything I've tried blocks part of the view thru the rear
>> window.
>>
>> .
>> "gixer" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> The real Beetle was what ran through my mind,
>>> And I think you have it covered thanks Ken.
>>> I would just like to add, extremely bad seats, position, material and
>>> support.
>>> And I don't know if it was just the few I drove, but the vibrations were
>>> enough to shake your fillings out.
>>>
>>> Cheers Mark.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ken Lyons" > wrote in message
>>> news:7AMTd.46753$uc.37453@trnddc03...
>>>> "Natman" > wrote
>>>>> What exactly are the qualities of a VW Beetle that make it unsuitable
>>>>> for a long freeway trip?
>>>>
>>>> I guess that depends on whether Mark was referring to the "real" Beetle
>>>> or
>>>> the gussified VW Golf. Lack of horsepower, lack of air conditioning,
>>>> poor
>>>> heating and constant rattle from corroded exhaust extensions are a few
>>>> of
>>>> the reasons I can think of for the real Beetle.
>>>> --
>>>> Ken Lyons '97 Brilliant Black/'90 Classic Red
>>>> Inside the Beltway
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>


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  #48  
Old February 27th 05, 03:10 AM
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 23:36:12 +0200, "gixer" > wrote:

>Guys its a open top sports car
>
>It was designed to be noisy, that's part of the appeal of a sports car.
>
>Do you guys add cola to Champaign?
>Chew on a stick of gum while eating caviar?
>
>It really is an eye opener for me to see how, a few of you guys across the
>pond differ from the majority of Europeans.
>
>I have many people that have become mates through MX-5 ownership, throughout
>the world, a fair number have done regular long trips, and I have never
>heard 1 person, either driver or passenger, complain about the noise.
>
>I just hope car designers look through forums like this to gauge feelings
>and interests.
>
>If they do, please guys design your SPORTS CAR to be a wind in your hair
>spitting bugs sporty car,
>Then give an option of a Lux pack, with extra, heavy sound proofing quiet
>exhaust, super soft suspension, extra boot space, maybe 2 more seats in the
>back for the kids, and maybe a roof because it does get cold in winter.
>As an idea you could call your new car a family car or an SUV.
>
>If you don't like the noise buy a hard top, or a SUV, a sports care should
>be a full sensory experience.
>
>Cheers Mark.
>

I agree with you completely that if you want a sports car, noise,
stiff ride, etc come with the package. For driving on twisty roads,
around town and even for general use that's fine.

Long distance freeway driving is NOT the realm of a dedicated sports
car, certainly not one as dedicated as the Miata.

Your argument is like saying that because rubber Wellington boots, a
raincoat and a sou'wester hat are great in the rain, they should be
worn at all times, even on a hot sunny day at the beach.

  #49  
Old February 27th 05, 05:28 AM
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Guys just to finish the my country is bigger than your argument once and for
all.
1/ I live and travel around Europe so I am a European
2/ Last year I did just over 60000 Miles in my Eunos, I am sure a lot of
people have done a more miles, but then again I am pretty sure that is more
than most Americans would not cover that in 5 years.
So the size of a country is in no way shape or form relevant to any issue
about distance.

Ian as for standards of driving, I suggest you visit any major European city
before you comment, 3 cities I regularly drive in Athens, London and Paris
are considered to be some of the worst in the world. (btw does that mean you
are native American?)

Grant,
The point I was making, was mainly regarding Chucks comments about engine
noise, noise damping in the trunk, stuffing Coats and similar soft items
in the sides of the soft-top well and the rear glass panel flapping, this to
me seems extremely excessive.
No one wants anyone to damage their hearing, but there is no way that the
exhaust noise in normal driving conditions, from Chucks turbo charged Miata
(so unless its fitted with a monster drainpipe as an exhaust, is probably
quieter than standard, as turbos damped exhaust noise tremendously) would be
loud enough to damage the drivers hearing.
Before we purchased our Miata's we knew that it was an open top sports car,
and we knew that being noisy would come hand in hand with Miata ownership,
yet it was a deal that we obviously all thought worth while as we purchased
the Miata and then continued ownership, it is no use complaining about the
noise afterwards, we should have thought about that before we handed over
our hard earned cash.
In my mind it's like buying a truck then complaining its difficult to park.

Wearing ear plugs for extended top down high speed driving, seems reasonable
to me,
But most people watch TV, work, listen to their music or in the case of some
Greek women even TALK above the recommended db health level guidelines, and
it's not just the db you have to worry about the frequency of the noise is
just as important if not more.
Whats the point of having a nice fruity exhaust and kick ass stereo if you
cannot hear them?
If any of you guys travel over this side of the pond be careful with the
noise reducing earphones if your driving, in most European countries it is
illegal to drive with earphones so you would more than likely get stopped,
and then have to explain the differences between those and walkman
earphones.

Natman,

A Miata is not, has not, and never will be a dedicated sports car, Caterham
7, Ultima GTR, Radical S3/S4 or an Ariel Atom are dedicated sports cars,
even an Opel VX220 can sneak in there, Jesus my mum had a MX-5 for 4 years
was 62 at the time.
Sorry mate but I can't afford a SUV for commuting, a GT for touring and a
sports car for the odd Sunday afternoon drive, and even if I could I
wouldn't.
My argument is not that the Miata is a Wellington boot,
If the Miata was any footwear it would be a Gortex, Vibram soled, sports,
army boot, as worn by Jesus, (waterproof, can go any distance you ask of it,
fast enough, kicks arse when ever you ask it to, and walks on bloody water)

Cheers Mark.



"gixer" > wrote in message
...
> Guys its a open top sports car
>
> It was designed to be noisy, that's part of the appeal of a sports car.
>
> Do you guys add cola to Champaign?
> Chew on a stick of gum while eating caviar?
>
> It really is an eye opener for me to see how, a few of you guys across the
> pond differ from the majority of Europeans.
>
> I have many people that have become mates through MX-5 ownership,
> throughout the world, a fair number have done regular long trips, and I
> have never heard 1 person, either driver or passenger, complain about the
> noise.
>
> I just hope car designers look through forums like this to gauge feelings
> and interests.
>
> If they do, please guys design your SPORTS CAR to be a wind in your hair
> spitting bugs sporty car,
> Then give an option of a Lux pack, with extra, heavy sound proofing quiet
> exhaust, super soft suspension, extra boot space, maybe 2 more seats in
> the back for the kids, and maybe a roof because it does get cold in
> winter.
> As an idea you could call your new car a family car or an SUV.
>
> If you don't like the noise buy a hard top, or a SUV, a sports care should
> be a full sensory experience.
>
> Cheers Mark.
>
>
> "Chuck" > wrote in message
> news:mV0Ud.2830$Hs.1591@okepread04...
>> My chief complaint on a long trip is the engine "drone". Since my 99
>> was/is used for 500 mile or more (one way) trips, I decided that short of
>> earplugs, something was needed. First, I installed the noise damping kit
>> in the trunk. (Some minor improvement) Then since my 99 is turbocharged,
>> I changed the tranny fifth gear ratio. (Noticeable improvement.)
>> The final and most effective thing is to stuff Coats and similar soft
>> items in the sides of the soft-top well next to the driver and passenger.
>> (Very noticeable difference) A source of subsonic (usually) noise is the
>> flapping of the glass rear window. I have no effective simple solution
>> for this-- everything I've tried blocks part of the view thru the rear
>> window.
>>
>> .
>> "gixer" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> The real Beetle was what ran through my mind,
>>> And I think you have it covered thanks Ken.
>>> I would just like to add, extremely bad seats, position, material and
>>> support.
>>> And I don't know if it was just the few I drove, but the vibrations were
>>> enough to shake your fillings out.
>>>
>>> Cheers Mark.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ken Lyons" > wrote in message
>>> news:7AMTd.46753$uc.37453@trnddc03...
>>>> "Natman" > wrote
>>>>> What exactly are the qualities of a VW Beetle that make it unsuitable
>>>>> for a long freeway trip?
>>>>
>>>> I guess that depends on whether Mark was referring to the "real" Beetle
>>>> or
>>>> the gussified VW Golf. Lack of horsepower, lack of air conditioning,
>>>> poor
>>>> heating and constant rattle from corroded exhaust extensions are a few
>>>> of
>>>> the reasons I can think of for the real Beetle.
>>>> --
>>>> Ken Lyons '97 Brilliant Black/'90 Classic Red
>>>> Inside the Beltway
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>



  #50  
Old February 27th 05, 05:50 AM
Grant Edwards
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On 2005-02-27, gixer > wrote:

> Whats the point of having a nice fruity exhaust and kick ass
> stereo if you cannot hear them?


What are you talking about? I _can_ hear them. Earplugs merely
attenuate sound, not eliminate it. I can still hear the exhaust
note and stereo. If you turn the stereo up so that it's 20dB
above the road, traffic, and wind noise, it's _still_ 20dB
above the road and traffic and wind noise wearing earplugs. I
can still hear the tires on the car in my blind spot. I can
still carry on a conversation at a normal level.

> If any of you guys travel over this side of the pond be
> careful with the noise reducing earphones if your driving, in
> most European countries it is illegal to drive with earphones
> so you would more than likely get stopped, and then have to
> explain the differences between those and walkman earphones.


On this side of the pond walkman earphones are illegal as well.

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