Should BAC limits be left up to the individual driver?

In article >, says...
>> Where did you get that number from? About every study about alcohol and
>> driving I read mentioned that non-alcoholic drivers already are affected
>> from .03%.
>
>MADD wants you to believe that, because their real purpose is to reinstate
>alcohol prohibition.

Actually, I don't that is what they want. They are an organization looking
for a purpose. They should have stuck with their awareness program and left
it at that.

>And I take more risks after my first cup of coffee in the morning than
>before. Ya wanna ban that, too?
>It's all a matter of degree. And adults are entitled to make their own
>choices about risk, individually.

Enjoy it while you can. Organizations like MADD want to take away your
choices.
------------
Alex

In article >,
says...

>Nonsense, half the studies I have read have been conducted in Europe and
>have nothing whatsoever to do with MADD.

Let's see the numbers.

>I want to ban drivers who don't have a grip on themselves.

Me too.

>If you drive
>drunk you indeed don't and if coffee has the same effect on you you should
>be banned from driving altogether.

Define drunk. That's the problem.

>No. My life is not a matter of your degree of self control. If you cannot
>live without alcohol or cannot stay sober before driving you do not
>possess the necessary prerequisites to drive a car.
>Driving is a privilege, not a right, and with it comes responsibility,
>among other things the responsibility of making sure you are fit to drive,
>i.e. sober.

What about the sober driver who can't control their car? You should more
concerned with them because there are alot more of them. It should come
down to the simple matter of whether you are driving properly or not.
------------
Alex

In article >,
says...

>Nonsense, half the studies I have read have been conducted in Europe and
>have nothing whatsoever to do with MADD.

Let's see the numbers.

>I want to ban drivers who don't have a grip on themselves.

Me too.

>If you drive
>drunk you indeed don't and if coffee has the same effect on you you should
>be banned from driving altogether.

Define drunk. That's the problem.

>No. My life is not a matter of your degree of self control. If you cannot
>live without alcohol or cannot stay sober before driving you do not
>possess the necessary prerequisites to drive a car.
>Driving is a privilege, not a right, and with it comes responsibility,
>among other things the responsibility of making sure you are fit to drive,
>i.e. sober.

What about the sober driver who can't control their car? You should more
concerned with them because there are alot more of them. It should come
down to the simple matter of whether you are driving properly or not.
------------
Alex

Sounds like you need to join DAMM (Drunks Against Mad
Mothers).

Ed

Alex Rodriguez wrote:
>
> In article >,
> says...
>
> >Nonsense, half the studies I have read have been conducted in Europe and
> >have nothing whatsoever to do with MADD.
>
> Let's see the numbers.
>
> >I want to ban drivers who don't have a grip on themselves.
>
> Me too.
>
> >If you drive
> >drunk you indeed don't and if coffee has the same effect on you you should
> >be banned from driving altogether.
>
> Define drunk. That's the problem.
>
> >No. My life is not a matter of your degree of self control. If you cannot
> >live without alcohol or cannot stay sober before driving you do not
> >possess the necessary prerequisites to drive a car.
> >Driving is a privilege, not a right, and with it comes responsibility,
> >among other things the responsibility of making sure you are fit to drive,
> >i.e. sober.
>
> What about the sober driver who can't control their car? You should more
> concerned with them because there are alot more of them. It should come
> down to the simple matter of whether you are driving properly or not.
> ------------
> Alex

Sounds like you need to join DAMM (Drunks Against Mad
Mothers).

Ed

Alex Rodriguez wrote:
>
> In article >,
> says...
>
> >Nonsense, half the studies I have read have been conducted in Europe and
> >have nothing whatsoever to do with MADD.
>
> Let's see the numbers.
>
> >I want to ban drivers who don't have a grip on themselves.
>
> Me too.
>
> >If you drive
> >drunk you indeed don't and if coffee has the same effect on you you should
> >be banned from driving altogether.
>
> Define drunk. That's the problem.
>
> >No. My life is not a matter of your degree of self control. If you cannot
> >live without alcohol or cannot stay sober before driving you do not
> >possess the necessary prerequisites to drive a car.
> >Driving is a privilege, not a right, and with it comes responsibility,
> >among other things the responsibility of making sure you are fit to drive,
> >i.e. sober.
>
> What about the sober driver who can't control their car? You should more
> concerned with them because there are alot more of them. It should come
> down to the simple matter of whether you are driving properly or not.
> ------------
> Alex

wrote:
> Why do you ask about heroin and cocaine? You worried about getting
> busted?

LBMHBF is making plans for the weekend.

wrote:
> Why do you ask about heroin and cocaine? You worried about getting
> busted?

LBMHBF is making plans for the weekend.

In article >, C.H. wrote:

> Example:
> http://www.uke.uni-hamburg.de/instit.../drogsymp3.pdf


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>>> I like a beer or a glass of wine now and then, I just don't drive
>>> afterwards until the effect of the alcohol has completely worn off (both
>>> impairment and BAC wise). If someone is unable to make sure they don't
>>> drink if you have to drive afterwards, they are an alcoholic.

>> However MADD and other orgs are still pushing a neo-prohibitionist
>> agenda. The USA is simply filled with control freaks. Instead of being
>> open, the method of recent decades has been incrementalism.

> That they publish neo-prohibitionist agenda doesn't mean they cannot be
> right about alcohol and driving.

Fine, convince me.

In article >, C.H. wrote:

> Example:
> http://www.uke.uni-hamburg.de/instit.../drogsymp3.pdf


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>>> I like a beer or a glass of wine now and then, I just don't drive
>>> afterwards until the effect of the alcohol has completely worn off (both
>>> impairment and BAC wise). If someone is unable to make sure they don't
>>> drink if you have to drive afterwards, they are an alcoholic.

>> However MADD and other orgs are still pushing a neo-prohibitionist
>> agenda. The USA is simply filled with control freaks. Instead of being
>> open, the method of recent decades has been incrementalism.

> That they publish neo-prohibitionist agenda doesn't mean they cannot be
> right about alcohol and driving.

Fine, convince me.

In article >, C.H. wrote:
> Increasing your own risks of being killed is completely acceptable. In
> traffic you not only increase your risk of being killed but the risks of
> others, and that is completely unacceptable.

Yet as a society we let people who normally drive as poorly as a drunk do so
everyday.