Haynes manual instructions

On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:58:25 GMT, ) wrote:

>On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:14:13 -0600, Lawrence Glickman
> wrote:
>
>||>I found factory manual on eBay for $105 and shiping was ~ $50 :-)
>||
>||That's right, Yvan. It is big, it is expensive, it is heavy, and
>||you'll never even use or need 99.99% of the information in there.
>||That's why I would go for the *online* service, IF they have
>||documentation for your model car ( and year ).
>
>But if you use it once, it paid for itself.
>Same with any special tools you must acquire.

Yes, and even more important than that, I will be happy to have some
parts diagrams identifying -everything- I can get to in my engine
compartment. That alone is worth the price of subscription to me.

>||>| Sometimes it makes more sense to bring the dang thing into a qualified
>||>| service shop.
>
>Pretty rarely in my experience.
>

I've need pipes welded before in the exhaust system and such. That
kind of thing, when I had a flex pipe break at where it connects with
the forward exhaust, I farmed out the job. They had the welder, the
hangers, brackets, whatever, were done with the job in 20 minutes
after they got the part in. So, it was worth it in that instance.

>||>Every time I go to my mechanic I am more and more convinced that I
>||>should do repair by myself, since where I am there is no such thing as
>||>"qualified service shop". And Audi service is to expensive for me.
>||
>||Exactly so Yvan. All service shops charge you twice. The
>||technician-baffoon get's 1/2, and the *house* gets 1/2.
>||
>||And when I say baffoon, I am paying them a compliment. I had my
>||rotors turned at a brake shop, and when I got em back from the ******
>||who did the work, they were grooved so badly in a spiral pattern I
>||could have used them for a barber pole.
>||
>||NEVER AGAIN !
>||
>||These *service shop* guys out here, VERY few of them know any more
>||about what they are doing than you and I do, very few. Most are
>||retards that are hired for the manual labor. No small wonder that
>||their first names are Manny.
>
>You are doing a disservice to all the true professionals in the auto service
>industry.

That must be because I haven't met any yet !

> To be a competent tech today requires the equivalent of a college
>degree plus continuing education to stay current. There is a cost for that.
> They DIYer only has to be an expert on a few cars, at most, and he can acquire
>that knowledge on his/her own schedule. Over the years I have accumulated
>books, tools, and shop space sufficient to do most any repair job possible,
>including mounting and balancing tires, and turning brake rotors. It has paid
>for itself many times in repairs I have done myself. And I can get most of my
>investment back should I decide to sell it off.
> But sometimes I do take a vehicle to a pro, either because I just don't want
>to do that job myself, or for time/convenience reasons.
>Texas Parts Guy

Since I only have 1 car, do _not_ have an engine lift and all the
time, tools, and parts in the world, some jobs will always go to the
shop. But I hope to be competent enough to know when the task is
something I -can- handle, and save a _wad_ on labor rates, dealer
markups, and so forth.

Lucky me, my car is under warranty right now, but someday it won't be.

Lg

In article >,
Arif Khokar > wrote:

> Neil Nelson wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > Arif Khokar > wrote:
>
> >>I wonder why more DIYs and mechanics don't bother using latex gloves
> >>while they work.
>
> > Allergic to latex would be one reason,
>
> There are nonlatex substitutes available if needed
>
> > for others it's that they make your hands sweat profusely.
>
> Only after an hour or so. At that point, one can take a break, and
> change their gloves.

I've tried latex gloves, usually within 10 minutes, there is
sweat pouring out of them...

In article >,
Arif Khokar > wrote:

> Neil Nelson wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > Arif Khokar > wrote:
>
> >>I wonder why more DIYs and mechanics don't bother using latex gloves
> >>while they work.
>
> > Allergic to latex would be one reason,
>
> There are nonlatex substitutes available if needed
>
> > for others it's that they make your hands sweat profusely.
>
> Only after an hour or so. At that point, one can take a break, and
> change their gloves.

I've tried latex gloves, usually within 10 minutes, there is
sweat pouring out of them...

Neil Nelson wrote:

> I've tried latex gloves, usually within 10 minutes, there is
> sweat pouring out of them...

That hasn't been my experience even being in the operating room for over
3 hours.

Neil Nelson wrote:

> I've tried latex gloves, usually within 10 minutes, there is
> sweat pouring out of them...

That hasn't been my experience even being in the operating room for over
3 hours.

Neil Nelson wrote:
> In article <4Bbtd.449741$nl.194473@pd7tw3no>,
> Ray > wrote:
>
>
>>Neil,
>>I'm just a Diy'er, not a pro mechanic.
>
>
> Understood, still, sometimes stuff shows up on e-bay and there's
> P2P also.
>
>
>>The original post had to do with Haynes manuals. Once you use a real
>>manual, you'll never go back to a Haynes.
>
>
> I've got one Haynes manual that I've had for about 27 years, it's
> on air cooled VWs, and gets used on the rare occasion that a bug
> shows up at my door. Needless to say, the content is very
> frustrating.

I bought the manuals for my Jimmy and wife's Beretta off eBay for about
the same price as a Haynes.

I realized Haynes was crap when I had to change the tranny on my 70
Buick. The "instructions" were like:
1. Unbolt stuff that bolts to the tranny.
2. Unbolt stuff that holds tranny in.
3. Remove transmission.
4. Installation is reverse of removal.

Fortunately, for that car that WAS actually ok. You could just about
pull the tranny out the top with the engine in - there was that much room.

Ray

Neil Nelson wrote:
> In article <4Bbtd.449741$nl.194473@pd7tw3no>,
> Ray > wrote:
>
>
>>Neil,
>>I'm just a Diy'er, not a pro mechanic.
>
>
> Understood, still, sometimes stuff shows up on e-bay and there's
> P2P also.
>
>
>>The original post had to do with Haynes manuals. Once you use a real
>>manual, you'll never go back to a Haynes.
>
>
> I've got one Haynes manual that I've had for about 27 years, it's
> on air cooled VWs, and gets used on the rare occasion that a bug
> shows up at my door. Needless to say, the content is very
> frustrating.

I bought the manuals for my Jimmy and wife's Beretta off eBay for about
the same price as a Haynes.

I realized Haynes was crap when I had to change the tranny on my 70
Buick. The "instructions" were like:
1. Unbolt stuff that bolts to the tranny.
2. Unbolt stuff that holds tranny in.
3. Remove transmission.
4. Installation is reverse of removal.

Fortunately, for that car that WAS actually ok. You could just about
pull the tranny out the top with the engine in - there was that much room.

Ray

Neil Nelson wrote:
> In article >,
> Arif Khokar > wrote:
>
>
>>Neil Nelson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article >,
>>> Arif Khokar > wrote:
>>
>>>>I wonder why more DIYs and mechanics don't bother using latex gloves
>>>>while they work.
>>
>>>Allergic to latex would be one reason,
>>
>>There are nonlatex substitutes available if needed
>>
>>
>>>for others it's that they make your hands sweat profusely.
>>
>>Only after an hour or so. At that point, one can take a break, and
>>change their gloves.
>
>
> I've tried latex gloves, usually within 10 minutes, there is
> sweat pouring out of them...

Can latex gloves hold up to wrenching? I wore latex gloves while
painting my race car this summer and they didn't hold up very well just
swinging a spray gun. I can't imagine them lasting more than about 10
seconds doing exhaust work or suspension work.

Ray

Neil Nelson wrote:
> In article >,
> Arif Khokar > wrote:
>
>
>>Neil Nelson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article >,
>>> Arif Khokar > wrote:
>>
>>>>I wonder why more DIYs and mechanics don't bother using latex gloves
>>>>while they work.
>>
>>>Allergic to latex would be one reason,
>>
>>There are nonlatex substitutes available if needed
>>
>>
>>>for others it's that they make your hands sweat profusely.
>>
>>Only after an hour or so. At that point, one can take a break, and
>>change their gloves.
>
>
> I've tried latex gloves, usually within 10 minutes, there is
> sweat pouring out of them...

Can latex gloves hold up to wrenching? I wore latex gloves while
painting my race car this summer and they didn't hold up very well just
swinging a spray gun. I can't imagine them lasting more than about 10
seconds doing exhaust work or suspension work.

Ray

"Ray" > wrote in message
newsgvtd.456741$nl.6891@pd7tw3no...
> Neil Nelson wrote:
>> In article >,
>> Arif Khokar > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Neil Nelson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article >,
>>>> Arif Khokar > wrote:
>>>
>>>>>I wonder why more DIYs and mechanics don't bother using latex gloves
>>>>>while they work.
>>>
>>>>Allergic to latex would be one reason,
>>>
>>>There are nonlatex substitutes available if needed
>>>
>>>
>>>>for others it's that they make your hands sweat profusely.
>>>
>>>Only after an hour or so. At that point, one can take a break, and
>>>change their gloves.
>>
>>
>> I've tried latex gloves, usually within 10 minutes, there is sweat
>> pouring out of them...
>
> Can latex gloves hold up to wrenching? I wore latex gloves while painting
> my race car this summer and they didn't hold up very well just swinging a
> spray gun. I can't imagine them lasting more than about 10 seconds doing
> exhaust work or suspension work.
>
> Ray

The only thing they seem good for is oil changes or packing wheel bearings.
The kind of greasy jobs where washing your hands takes as long as doing the
job.
Bob