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Jim Yanik wrote: > Scott en Aztl=E1n > wrote in > : > > > On Tue, 3 May 2005 11:42:30 -0700, "fbloogyudsr" > > wrote: > > > >>Actually, it's not noise that is the issue, but pollution controls, > >>because things like cats, oxygen sensors, plumbing length and > >>back pressure all affect whether it will pass emissions. > > > > But we already have laws that require cars to pass emissions. The only > > reason to pass this new law is to cut down on noise pollution. > > > > > > And a good reason. You're missing the point. If the after market mfg just has to meet OEM specs, what's to say that an OEM spec may not be super loud? Then what recourse do you have? This is simple, if you want to limit noise, then limit dB levels, not who makes the damn thing. |
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"Larry Bud" > wrote in
oups.com: > > Jim Yanik wrote: >> Scott en Aztlán > wrote in >> : >> >> > On Tue, 3 May 2005 11:42:30 -0700, "fbloogyudsr" >> > wrote: >> > >> >>Actually, it's not noise that is the issue, but pollution controls, >> >>because things like cats, oxygen sensors, plumbing length and >> >>back pressure all affect whether it will pass emissions. >> > >> > But we already have laws that require cars to pass emissions. The > only >> > reason to pass this new law is to cut down on noise pollution. >> > >> > >> >> And a good reason. > > You're missing the point. If the after market mfg just has to meet OEM > specs, what's to say that an OEM spec may not be super loud? The fact that it would repel most potential purchasers. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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On Wed, 04 May 2005 05:47:28 -0400, Nate Nagel >
wrote: >> There are plenty of inexpensive mufflers that meet (or exceed) factory >> specs. > >Not for, say, a VW or Porsche where the muffler is integrated into a >custom-bent pipe. How is this a problem? The factory exhaust is going to last for many, many years. You'll probably sell the car before the muffler wears (or rusts) out. And even if you keep the car, you have several years to save up for that factory spec replacement. >But they'd still be technically illegal. I don't want to "get away >with" anything, I want to be legal. Fine - then buy the factory spec system. >I already went through this with an inspection "mechanic" here - the >"suitcase" muffler on the girlie's Corrado had a small rust hole in it >and he said that it had to be replaced. That part alone from a VW >dealer was over $300 last time I checked. Here, let me call a WAAAAAAAAmbulance for your girlie. You don't buy a Corvette and then bitch when the tires last 10,000 miles and cost $1400 for a set of 4 to replace. You don't buy a BMW and then bitch when the brake rotors are super-thin to save weight - so thin that they cannot be turned and must be replaced every time you replace the pads and cost $150 each. If you can't afford the replacement parts, then buy a less expensive car. |
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In article >, Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> How is this a problem? The factory exhaust is going to last for many, > many years. You'll probably sell the car before the muffler wears (or > rusts) out. And even if you keep the car, you have several years to > save up for that factory spec replacement. Assinine. Better to leave an exhaust system full of holes. It's "stock" than be restricted to a sole source. >>But they'd still be technically illegal. I don't want to "get away >>with" anything, I want to be legal. > Fine - then buy the factory spec system. Why don't you just mandate dealer-only service right down to the oil while you're at it? >>I already went through this with an inspection "mechanic" here - the >>"suitcase" muffler on the girlie's Corrado had a small rust hole in it >>and he said that it had to be replaced. That part alone from a VW >>dealer was over $300 last time I checked. > Here, let me call a WAAAAAAAAmbulance for your girlie. > You don't buy a Corvette and then bitch when the tires last 10,000 > miles and cost $1400 for a set of 4 to replace. What if you restricted to one make and model of tires? You'd pay more right now. With the restriction, expect to pay at least double, > You don't buy a BMW > and then bitch when the brake rotors are super-thin to save weight - > so thin that they cannot be turned and must be replaced every time you > replace the pads and cost $150 each. One can buy aftermarket brake rotors too ya know. > If you can't afford the replacement parts, then buy a less expensive car. For many makes and models, replacement after market parts are cheaper and better. |
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Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> You don't buy a Corvette and then bitch when the tires last 10,000 > miles and cost $1400 for a set of 4 to replace. I priced tires for a 2005 C6 convertible with the sport handling package and got prices around $800 to $900 for a set of 4. Still, that's really expensive. I got a set of 4 Bridgestone Blizzacks *mounted on 4 alloy rims* for $800 3 years ago. |
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On Thu, 05 May 2005 07:58:54 GMT, Arif Khokar >
wrote: >> You don't buy a Corvette and then bitch when the tires last 10,000 >> miles and cost $1400 for a set of 4 to replace. > >I priced tires for a 2005 C6 convertible with the sport handling package >and got prices around $800 to $900 for a set of 4. For runflats? Where?!?!! |
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In article >, Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> On Wed, 04 May 2005 23:54:57 -0500, > (Brent P) wrote: > >>In article >, Scott en Aztlán wrote: >> >>> How is this a problem? The factory exhaust is going to last for many, >>> many years. You'll probably sell the car before the muffler wears (or >>> rusts) out. And even if you keep the car, you have several years to >>> save up for that factory spec replacement. >> >>Assinine. Better to leave an exhaust system full of holes. It's "stock" >>than be restricted to a sole source. > > Exhaust systems with holes are loud. That would be in violation of the > law. Stock system. not violating this new law. >>> You don't buy a Corvette and then bitch when the tires last 10,000 >>> miles and cost $1400 for a set of 4 to replace. >> >>What if you restricted to one make and model of tires? > AFAIK, only Goodyear makes runflats in those specific sizes right now. > So effectively I *am* restricted to one make and model of tire, at > least for the moment. So you want to force everybody else into similiar situations. For instance force me into buying under performing overpriced goodyear tires that were stock on my mustang. >>> You don't buy a BMW >>> and then bitch when the brake rotors are super-thin to save weight - >>> so thin that they cannot be turned and must be replaced every time you >>> replace the pads and cost $150 each. >>One can buy aftermarket brake rotors too ya know. > Yet they still meet factory specs. And may be of better quality. Many aftermarket parts cost less > BTW, here is the text of the proposed law. It seems pretty clear to me > that this is aimed squarely at reducing noise pollution. Seems to me > an aftermarket exhaust that's as quiet as a stock system would be > fully in compliance. The only people that lose under this law are > those who wish to make a lot of noise, to which I say "tough ****." Then get a Db meter. > 4 (c) Mufflers and related equipment.--Every motor vehicle > 5 shall be equipped with a [muffler] factory-installed muffler, a > 6 muffler meeting factory specifications or other effective noise > 7 suppressing system in good working order [and], in constant > 8 operation and in compliance with the maximum noise levels > 9 permitted under subsection (a). No muffler or exhaust system > 10 shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass or similar device. The cut out is banned instead of the idiotic use of said cut out. |
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Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> On Thu, 05 May 2005 07:58:54 GMT, Arif Khokar > > wrote: >>>You don't buy a Corvette and then bitch when the tires last 10,000 >>>miles and cost $1400 for a set of 4 to replace. >>I priced tires for a 2005 C6 convertible with the sport handling package >>and got prices around $800 to $900 for a set of 4. > For runflats? Where?!?!! You didn't specify runflats originally, but I found a set for about $1238. Of course, shipping will probably push the price upt to about $1300 ... http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compar...Only&x=57&y=14 |
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