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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:56:09 -0700, one80out wrote:
> A T56 will definitely require tunnel surgery. Really??? I was under the impression that the T5 and T56 would bolt right in! > I don't believe I've > heard of any need for that with an AOD. I don't think $700 is much of > a bargain for an AOD. Those things are not rare, and these days > they're not young either. Yeah, I wasn't interested in it at that price. If the T56 won't fit, I am leaning towards a C6 then. > I would think about the 4R70W instead. > Here's one guy's web page on his '66's conversion: > http://www.blueriver.net/~finite/project_od.htm Wow - that looks like a pretty serious, expensive job. I am not sure I want to go that route... I was really hoping for a bolt-in, avoiding any more fabrication. Thomas |
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Yeah, a T-5 will go in with very little trouble, and the adaptors are
readily available. I'm putting one in my kids' '65 as soon as I can round up the parts. But other than the fact they both have an input shaft and an output shaft, a T-56 has no similarity whatsoever to a T-5. Here's a website about getting a Tremec 3550 into a '65 http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/Pages/Tremec.html Check this photo for an idea of how much sheetmetal needed to come out: http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/Pages/Tremec014.jpg A T56 is bigger than a Tremec. 180 Out |
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Thomas Cameron wrote:
> So this morning I was supposed to drive up, and I called them and asked if > there was any chance the block I was getting was from a 1994 or newer > vehicle, i.e. a roller motor. He said, "No, it's a 1970 block. But," he > says, "I have a complete 1994 Ford Lightning engine for sale" (from the > oil pan to the fuel injection, with computer and complete wiring harness). > So I look it up. Hrm... 351W, GT40 heads, roller motor, fuel injection, > plenty of horsepower and gobs of torque. So I ask him a bunch of > questions, and find out that the engine was running around a year ago when > the Lightning was wrecked, and has been in a covered warehouse ever since. > > He also refers me to a local mechanic who put one of these in a '67 coupe, > and told me to call him. I call, and the guy says that it is not a hard > swap, all you need is a high pressure fuel pump and lines. > > I ask how much for the engine, and he tells me $2600. So, there's a new > (to me) fuel-injected Lightning 351W on a stand in the garage! > > I think it will be really slick - a fuel-injected 351W roller motor with > GT40 heads in a 1968 Coupe. I am also seriously considering the Ford > Racing blower for the Lightning - at 6psi boost, it pumps up horsepower > and torque by about 30% according to the Ford Racing web site. And it's > only $2050. Hell, I was planning on spending $4000-$5000 on the stroker > motor. If I spend the same amount on this engine and the blower I will > probably wind up with around 375-400 ponies and a more reliable engine. > > Thoughts? Should be an awesome ride. I put a 351W in a 67 Fastback. It was snug and filled the engine bay nicely without any cutting or bending. I'd probably be happy without the blower. - http://www.commondreams.org/ http://www.truthout.org/ http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/ http://thirdworldtraveler.com/ http://counterpunch.org/ http://responsiblewealth.org/ "Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood." -Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape, torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr. "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did." -- George W. Bush "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." -- Adolf Hitler "The tsunami was a wonderful opportunity to show not just the US government, but the heart of the American people, and I think it has paid great dividends for us." Condoleezza Rice http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/hhh3/ "One of the things we don't want to do is destroy the infrastructure in Iraq because in a few days we're going to own that country," - Tom Brokaw Cost of probing Bill Clinton's sex life: $65 million. Cost of probing the Columbia shuttle disaster: $50 million. Funds assigned to independent Sept. 11 panel: $3 million. "After all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." -- Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag, Nazi Party, and Luftwaffe Commander in Chief "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918) "You know, when bu$h said that he's against nation building, I didn't realize that he meant only the United States" -- Al Franken Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron... |
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Painless does have a variety of harnesses to fit various adaptations.
They are pricey. There are some other wiring companies which will either custom a set, or have sets ready or adaptable for less. In one case the owner of the local custom rod shop advised me that I could save about $400 with other than Painless. It's been a number of months and I don't recall what brand he uses. You might try a Google search. Just a thought, but.... You might also wish to do some added research with Windsor-Fox www.windsorfox.com, and any others you can find. I haven't looked lately, but check the Tech sections of www.mustangmonthly.com ,and www.mustangandfords.com for related articles. Take whatever you can find and plan out in advance what you need to do in what order. Some of these have step by step with photos you can download. On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:29:34 GMT, Thomas Cameron > wrote: >On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:06:21 -0600, 66 6F HCS wrote: > >> >> "Thomas Cameron" > wrote >>> the guy says that it is not a hard >>> swap, all you need is a high pressure fuel pump and lines. >> >> It's not THAT easy. There are some things that have to be modified on the >> harness for the 'puter to "see" things that you won't have on the '68. > >My understanding is that Painless can either sell you a complete >wiring harness or modify yours so that everything will work together. > >> Plus, >> you'll have to run O2 sensors in your exhaust, which means drilling and >> adding the O2 bungs into your headers. > >Ugh - hadn't thought of that. > >> You'll also have to plumb a return >> line back to the gas tank and then figure out where you're going to have the >> return line return to (through the sending unit usually). > >Yeah, we're looking at cutting a high pressure fuel pump out of some other >fuel tank and welding it into the Mustang's tank. Nothing like a little >fabrication work! > >> If ONLY it truly >> WAS that easy. > >Nothing, but nothing is ever *that* easy. :-) > >But it ought to be a beast when all is said and done! > >Thomas Hey! Spikey Likes IT! 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8" w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16 |
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"Thomas Cameron" > wrote >> You'll also have to plumb a return >> line back to the gas tank and then figure out where you're going to have >> the >> return line return to (through the sending unit usually). > > Yeah, we're looking at cutting a high pressure fuel pump out of some other > fuel tank and welding it into the Mustang's tank. No, no, no. Don't waste time that way. Just buy a pump that mounts to the inside of your rear framerail. that way you only have to rerun some plumbing with zero mods to the tank itself. Plus there are a few places that will modify your harness for a fee, but cheaper than buying a new one that's already modded. Look here... http://tinyurl.com/dnr5g http://tinyurl.com/95cag -- Scott W. '66 HCS Mustang 289 '68 Ranchero 500 302 '69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W ThunderSnake #57 http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/ |
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"Thomas Cameron" > wrote in message news > On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:56:09 -0700, one80out wrote: > >> A T56 will definitely require tunnel surgery. > > Really??? I was under the impression that the T5 and T56 would bolt right > in! A T56 will bolt right in, but the pinion angle will be WAY off and will cause a horrendous shaking. To get the pinion angle right you have to basically fab a new tranny tunnel to get the tail of the tranny up higher. Do-able, but a true PITA. > Yeah, I wasn't interested in it at that price. If the T56 won't fit, I am > leaning towards a C6 then. Eesh, why? Yeah a C6 is bullet proof, but the AOD's are pretty strong and you keep OD. You can put the 4R70W gearset in an AOD and get all the advantages of the wide ratio and you dump the whole brain box PITA. -- Scott W. '66 HCS Mustang 289 '68 Ranchero 500 302 '69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W ThunderSnake #57 http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/ |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:22:54 -0600, "66 6F HCS"
> wrote: > >"Thomas Cameron" > wrote in message >news >> On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:56:09 -0700, one80out wrote: >> > >Eesh, why? Yeah a C6 is bullet proof, but the AOD's are pretty strong and >you keep OD. You can put the 4R70W gearset in an AOD and get all the >advantages of the wide ratio and you dump the whole brain box PITA. I want to go the AOD route for the highway driving, but I'd like to keep some pep. Is there an information source for what you're talking about with the 4R70W? and will it drop in to a 65 FB 289 w/C4? The outfit I have been talking to has been pushing the AODE out of a late model Mustang GT, which is going to require shortening the driveshaft, new crossmember, tv cable, etc. Hey! Spikey Likes IT! 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8" w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16 |
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"Spike" > wrote > I want to go the AOD route for the highway driving, but I'd like to > keep some pep. You keep the "pep" with the wideset gears from the 4R70W and nearly the strength of the C6. You running more than 450 lb/ft torque? AOD is fine for that. > Is there an information source for what you're talking about with the > 4R70W? and will it drop in to a 65 FB 289 w/C4? It's a straight forward swap. I heard about it from the guy who built the C4 in my Ranchero when I asked him about putting an AOD in my '69. I've seen this info on the 'net too, but can't remember where. > The outfit I have been talking to has been pushing the AODE out of a > late model Mustang GT, which is going to require shortening the > driveshaft, new crossmember, tv cable, etc. Well, you'd have to do that with the AOD also, you just don't need th brainbox that you HAVE to have for the AODE. The AODE is n't really much different than the AOD other than it's electronically controlled. -- Scott W. '66 HCS Mustang 289 '68 Ranchero 500 302 '69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W ThunderSnake #57 http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/ |
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I'd prefer, I think - unless someone can show a good reason why not -
to stay away from electronic stuff. After years of fighting one thing or another with the Firebird.... On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 05:19:17 -0600, "66 6F HCS" > wrote: > >"Spike" > wrote >> I want to go the AOD route for the highway driving, but I'd like to >> keep some pep. > >You keep the "pep" with the wideset gears from the 4R70W and nearly the >strength of the C6. You running more than 450 lb/ft torque? AOD is fine for >that. > >> Is there an information source for what you're talking about with the >> 4R70W? and will it drop in to a 65 FB 289 w/C4? > >It's a straight forward swap. I heard about it from the guy who built the C4 >in my Ranchero when I asked him about putting an AOD in my '69. I've seen >this info on the 'net too, but can't remember where. > >> The outfit I have been talking to has been pushing the AODE out of a >> late model Mustang GT, which is going to require shortening the >> driveshaft, new crossmember, tv cable, etc. > >Well, you'd have to do that with the AOD also, you just don't need th >brainbox that you HAVE to have for the AODE. The AODE is n't really much >different than the AOD other than it's electronically controlled. Hey! Spikey Likes IT! 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8" w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16 |
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"Spike" > wrote in message ... > I'd prefer, I think - unless someone can show a good reason why not - > to stay away from electronic stuff. After years of fighting one thing > or another with the Firebird.... Exactly why the AOD would be the more desirable than the AODE. -- Scott W. '66 HCS Mustang 289 '68 Ranchero 500 302 '69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W ThunderSnake #57 http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/ |
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