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Old April 8th 06, 02:36 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled
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Fellow bussers:

What about the new gas? I'm a little worried because I don't know how
old iron mixes with the new gas.

I've been buying regular gas without alcohol for my '67 bus with a
super beetle engine ('67 carb). I wonder if someone will comment on
how it will run on the newly mandated gasohol? Will I have to make any
modifications - carb, plugs, timing?

Should I maybe think about replacing the engine with one (single port,
stock) that has been specially built for gas with alcohol for
Washington State, not California?

Thanks.

And...

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Old April 8th 06, 03:27 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled
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I've used E-10 and E-15 in my vw's for over 12 years without any
modifications or problems. I will be using E-50 to E-85 in my Puma this
summer. VW's in Brazil ran up to 100% alcohol for decades. I love the
stuff, higher octane (up to 105 in the E-85 blend), cooler and longer
burn (better for head temps) and less emmissions (Oil is carbon based
while alcohol is an organic compound which breaks down).
Enjoy....Dennis

href="http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4025706&a=32090944&f="Den's
Dogs</a>

href="http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4025706&a=30209382&vt=vp">Den's
1977 Puma</a>

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Old April 8th 06, 03:40 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled
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"Dennis Wik" > wrote in message
...

> I will be using E-50 to E-85 in my Puma this
> summer.


Have you actually tried E-85 in your Puma yet? I'd be surprised if it ran at
all with the stuff.


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Old April 8th 06, 05:15 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled
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In article >, Dennis Wik
> wrote:

> I've used E-10 and E-15 in my vw's for over 12 years without any
> modifications or problems. I will be using E-50 to E-85 in my Puma this
> summer. VW's in Brazil ran up to 100% alcohol for decades. I love the
> stuff, higher octane (up to 105 in the E-85 blend), cooler and longer
> burn (better for head temps) and less emmissions (Oil is carbon based
> while alcohol is an organic compound which breaks down).
> Enjoy....Dennis
>
> href="http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4025706&a=32090944&f="Den's
> Dogs</a>
>
> href="http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4025706&a=30209382&vt=vp">Den's
> 1977 Puma</a>


Those dogs SCARE me! But I'm sure they're very nice :-) Very nice.
Nice doggies. Nice d...d... R_U_N F_O_R Y_O_U_R L_I_F_E!

Here I am with my boss and my bus, two of the most important things in
my life. I call the bus "The Frog." The cat's name is Scourge, the
name of the ship's cat in "Far Side Of The World" (Patrick O'Brian),
which I was reading when this abandoned/lost cat wandered up my road
and took over.
http://toutle.com/scourge.jpg

Since we're sharing pictures:

My '67 bus:
http://toutle.com/041024_bus.jpg

2001 -- old engine must be replaced:
http://toutle.com/0_old.jpg

New engine, rescued from a'74 super beetle which had been wrecked many
years before and was overgrown with grass and blackberry vines in a
field. Compression was excellent, so it must have been wrecked shortly
after a rebuild. I replaced the flywheel, generator, carburetor and
bug muffler with same from the old engine, and performed a field
modification to the transaxle (um, with a file) to allow the bolt
behind the oil cooler to install:
http://toutle.com/0_new.jpg

It's in and ready to go:
http://toutle.com/0_its_in.jpg

Care must be taken to meditate and commiserate with one's ride after
such a marriage between old bus and super beetle.
http://toutle.com/041024_bus.jpg

BTW, this engine started on the first turn of the key and is still in
use now coming up on its fifth anniversary in late June.

Zoom Zoom....

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Old April 8th 06, 03:22 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled
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"Dennis Wik" > wrote in message
...
>
> (Oil is carbon based while alcohol is an organic compound which breaks

down).
>
>


.............Alcohol is also a carbon based molecule and petroleum is also an
organic compound. All organic compounds are carbon based.

..........Ethanol-gasoline blends are just a government subsidy for
agribusiness in my opinion............Petrolem based fertilizer is used to
grow corn-----petroleum based energy is used process the corn into
alcohol........Government subsidies are used in every step of manufacture,
distribution and sale to bring down the cost of e-gas at the pump. Without a
modern engine management system that adjusts mixture based on the resistance
value of an 02 sensor, carbureted engines in older cars will run too lean on
it which usually results in loss of power and poor mileage. The fix for that
is to re-jet the carb and increasing the compression ratio of the engine
would help use this fuel more efficiently as well. This is all dependent on
the concentration of ethanol vs gasoline in the blend.......E-85 which has
85% ethanol blended with 15% gasoline won't work in an older vehicle without
going to a carburetor which can be jetted properly to run much richer than
normal and also you would need to get rid of all natural rubber in the fuel
system from the tank to the fuel pump's diaphragm to the boots on your 1600
DP's intake manifold. The other potential problem for e-gas in an older
vehicle is the rust problem in the gas tank and steel gas line that can
result from the water absorption property of ethanol. This might not be real
big problem in an area where the climate is dry and humidity levels average
less than what many of us see here in the eastern states.

........If all non-commercial vehicles were simply required to average at
least 25 miles per gallon, you would solve the dependency on oil imports
problem and get rid of a large portion of the emissions problem. I'd have to
park 2 of my vehicles but I have 3 others that would satify that restriction
easily. Here's another idea: Double the price of gas for vehicles that weigh
more than 4,000 pounds and which don't have a commercial use
permit..........bye bye Suburbans, Durangos, Hummers and Expeditions.


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Old April 8th 06, 04:59 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled
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The ever skeptical "Tim Rogers" emoted:

> .........Ethanol-gasoline blends are just a government subsidy for
> agribusiness in my opinion............Petrolem based fertilizer is used to
> grow corn-----petroleum based energy is used process the corn into
> alcohol........Government subsidies are used in every step of manufacture,
> [...]


Yup. So, we gotta get that Solyent Green program rolling! Then you would
have to be REAL careful with your inflection when you ask, "Whatcha running
in the tank, Grandpa?"


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Old April 8th 06, 05:11 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled
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"Tim Rogers" > wrote in message Here's another idea: Double
the price of gas for vehicles that weigh
> more than 4,000 pounds and which don't have a commercial use
> permit..........bye bye Suburbans, Durangos, Hummers and Expeditions.
>
>


And those of us who use pickup trucks for work outside of our jobs....or tow
race cars....or get loads of manure to fertilize our gardens...or pick up a
pile of VW parts...or etc.
Don't punish everyone just because of soccer moms, please.

Sneaks
'68 T1


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Old April 8th 06, 07:13 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled
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"Sneaks" > wrote in message
...
>
> And those of us who use pickup trucks for work outside of our jobs....or

tow
> race cars....or get loads of manure to fertilize our gardens...or pick up

a
> pile of VW parts...or etc.
> Don't punish everyone just because of soccer moms, please.
>
>


............Your concerns are reasonable. My simplistic suggestion would need
a lot of examination of course and maybe get scrapped altogether. I have
towed a notchback sedan for 300 miles in the past with an Altima and loaded
it up with bags of gardening supplies on other occasions. Towing a large
boat or a race car is a problem for a small vehicle though.

......There are too many Americans riding around in 15 mpg vehicles with no
apparent need to do so. The strain on the environment and the dependency on
crackpot regimes in places like Venezuela is the result of this self
indulgent lifestyle. The parking lot where I work is full of Tahoes,
4Runners, F-150's, Silverados, Navigators, etc., etc. Almost none of them
are carpooling. Just driving around to work and home again in gigantic gas
guzzlers while bitching about $3/gallon gasoline. It's just too stupid. I'd
like to see a refinery built nearby here just to see some of them start
crusading against what they themselves are actually causing.


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Old April 8th 06, 07:37 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled
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Okay, then, it sounds as if I'll be able to run a blend of maybe 15% to
25% alcohol/gasoline without doing any mods? The carb is easy enough
to re-jet. Any suggestions on which size to use?

Thanks, Dennis and Tim, for your comments.

I wonder if there's a way to remove alcohol or most of it from an
alcohol/gasoline blend? Distillation? Settling? Filtration? Then I
can put the gas into the VW and drink the alcohol.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

In article >, Tim Rogers
> wrote:

> "Dennis Wik" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I've used E-10 and E-15 in my vw's for over 12 years without any
> > modifications or problems. I will be using E-50 to E-85 in my Puma this
> > summer. VW's in Brazil ran up to 100% alcohol for decades. I love the
> > stuff, higher octane (up to 105 in the E-85 blend), cooler and longer
> > burn (better for head temps) and less emmissions (Oil is carbon based
> > while alcohol is an organic compound which breaks down).
> > Enjoy....Dennis

>
> >
> >

>
> ............Alcohol is also a carbon based molecule and petroleum is also an
> organic compound. All organic compounds are carbon based.
>
> .........Ethanol-gasoline blends are just a government subsidy for
> agribusiness in my opinion............Petrolem based fertilizer is used to
> grow corn-----petroleum based energy is used process the corn into
> alcohol........Government subsidies are used in every step of manufacture,
> distribution and sale to bring down the cost of e-gas at the pump. Without a
> modern engine management system that adjusts mixture based on the resistance
> value of an 02 sensor, carbureted engines in older cars will run too lean on
> it which usually results in loss of power and poor mileage. The fix for that
> is to re-jet the carb and increasing the compression ratio of the engine
> would help use this fuel more efficiently as well. This is all dependent on
> the concentration of ethanol vs gasoline in the blend.......E-85 which has
> 85% ethanol blended with 15% gasoline won't work in an older vehicle without
> going to a carburetor which can be jetted properly to run much richer than
> normal and also you would need to get rid of all natural rubber in the fuel
> system from the tank to the fuel pump's diaphragm to the boots on your 1600
> DP's intake manifold. The other potential problem for e-gas in an older
> vehicle is the rust problem in the gas tank and steel gas line that can
> result from the water absorption property of ethanol. This might not be real
> big problem in an area where the climate is dry and humidity levels average
> less than what many of us see here in the eastern states.
>
> .......If all non-commercial vehicles were simply required to average at
> least 25 miles per gallon, you would solve the dependency on oil imports
> problem and get rid of a large portion of the emissions problem. I'd have to
> park 2 of my vehicles but I have 3 others that would satify that restriction
> easily. Here's another idea: Double the price of gas for vehicles that weigh
> more than 4,000 pounds and which don't have a commercial use
> permit..........bye bye Suburbans, Durangos, Hummers and Expeditions.

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Old April 8th 06, 07:48 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled
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"beep_beep" > wrote in message
...
>
> Okay, then, it sounds as if I'll be able to run a blend of maybe 15% to
> 25% alcohol/gasoline without doing any mods? The carb is easy enough
> to re-jet. Any suggestions on which size to use?
>
> Thanks, Dennis and Tim, for your comments.
>
> I wonder if there's a way to remove alcohol or most of it from an
> alcohol/gasoline blend? Distillation? Settling? Filtration? Then I
> can put the gas into the VW and drink the alcohol.
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
> In article >, Tim Rogers
> > wrote:
>
>> "Dennis Wik" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > I've used E-10 and E-15 in my vw's for over 12 years without any
>> > modifications or problems. I will be using E-50 to E-85 in my Puma
>> > this
>> > summer. VW's in Brazil ran up to 100% alcohol for decades. I love the
>> > stuff, higher octane (up to 105 in the E-85 blend), cooler and longer
>> > burn (better for head temps) and less emmissions (Oil is carbon based
>> > while alcohol is an organic compound which breaks down).
>> > Enjoy....Dennis

>>
>> >
>> >

>>
>> ............Alcohol is also a carbon based molecule and petroleum is also
>> an
>> organic compound. All organic compounds are carbon based.
>>
>> .........Ethanol-gasoline blends are just a government subsidy for
>> agribusiness in my opinion............Petrolem based fertilizer is used
>> to
>> grow corn-----petroleum based energy is used process the corn into
>> alcohol........Government subsidies are used in every step of
>> manufacture,
>> distribution and sale to bring down the cost of e-gas at the pump.
>> Without a
>> modern engine management system that adjusts mixture based on the
>> resistance
>> value of an 02 sensor, carbureted engines in older cars will run too lean
>> on
>> it which usually results in loss of power and poor mileage. The fix for
>> that
>> is to re-jet the carb and increasing the compression ratio of the engine
>> would help use this fuel more efficiently as well. This is all dependent
>> on
>> the concentration of ethanol vs gasoline in the blend.......E-85 which
>> has
>> 85% ethanol blended with 15% gasoline won't work in an older vehicle
>> without
>> going to a carburetor which can be jetted properly to run much richer
>> than
>> normal and also you would need to get rid of all natural rubber in the
>> fuel
>> system from the tank to the fuel pump's diaphragm to the boots on your
>> 1600
>> DP's intake manifold. The other potential problem for e-gas in an older
>> vehicle is the rust problem in the gas tank and steel gas line that can
>> result from the water absorption property of ethanol. This might not be
>> real
>> big problem in an area where the climate is dry and humidity levels
>> average
>> less than what many of us see here in the eastern states.
>>
>> .......If all non-commercial vehicles were simply required to average at
>> least 25 miles per gallon, you would solve the dependency on oil imports
>> problem and get rid of a large portion of the emissions problem. I'd have
>> to
>> park 2 of my vehicles but I have 3 others that would satify that
>> restriction
>> easily. Here's another idea: Double the price of gas for vehicles that
>> weigh
>> more than 4,000 pounds and which don't have a commercial use
>> permit..........bye bye Suburbans, Durangos, Hummers and Expeditions.



 




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