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Dave Head > wrote in
: > On 19 Jul 2005 23:27:33 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote: > wrote in groups.com: >> >>> Yeah, I'm sure I'll be able to find _your_ phone after you've rolled >>> your car end over end out into the woods someplace, and you're totally >>> unconscious and, as I said, bleeding to death. >>> >>> As for the risk, there are risks to having fewer people in society that >>> have instant communications of a cell phone. >>> >>> Dave Head >>> >>> >> >>You STILL can have it with you, > > Could, but won't. > >>and still can use in -in an emergency-,just >>not use it during ordinary driving. > > Nope, won't have it at all. > > Dave Head > Don't blame us for your poor choice. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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"Dave" > wrote in
oups.com: > > wrote: >> Yeah, I'm sure I'll be able to find _your_ phone after you've rolled >> your car end over end out into the woods someplace, and you're totally >> unconscious and, as I said, bleeding to death. >> >> As for the risk, there are risks to having fewer people in society that >> have instant communications of a cell phone. > > Oh well, I have bigger issues in life to worry about than if some > self-centered dumbass is going to bother helping me if I happen to be > in a wreck, and incapacitated, in the middle of the woods on a desolate > road. Like, I have to worry if aforementioned dumbass is going to > drive into me while checking to see when a movie is playing. > > Dave > > Chances are,they would be talking on their phone and not notice the accident anyways,drive right by it. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:10:36 -0700, "C.H." > wrote:
>Dave Head wrote: > >> On 14 Jul 2005 14:43:18 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote: >>> >>>Well,it sounds like no great loss to the rest of us.after all,by your own >>>admission,you don't make or receive that many calls. >> >> Nope - only if I'm the one that rolls up on you while you're bleeding to >> death, and there's not going to be anyone else around for the next >> half-hour or so, and I have sold the cell phone. > >I am much more likely to be bleeding to death because you have t-boned me in >your cellphone induced stupidity than to be saved by your cellphone. > >> Others will delete the cell phone from their lists of expenses, too, if >> they can't use it where they most need it. This problem will _not_ be as >> isolated as you might like it to be. > >On the contrary, as the example Germany clearly shows. > >>>And how many accidents or calls for help have you made so far??? >> >> Reported a drunk driver a couple years ago. Other than that, haven't had >> an opportunity. > >In other words you are endangering people on a daily basis Yeah, you do that by simply driving. Driving is dangerous. However, it has, at any given moment, a damn-near-zero chance for an accident. Driving is incredibly simple if you simply stay alert. Some people can talk and do that, some people can't. And as I said, if something out the window requires my attention, its going to get it. So, my chance of having an accident while doing this may be damn-near-zero, or if you take the Australian study under advisement maybe 4 times damn-near-zero, and that still amounts to damn-near-zero. Its like when I was in a trainer plane with my instructor, we were approaching an uncontrolled airport where you're supposed to announce your intentions on the unicom (radio) frequency. I started to do that, and then there was an anomaly during a turn onto base leg and I stopped talking on the radio to take care of it. Impressed my instructor with that, but it just comes naturally for me. That which can get me bleeding gets the most attention - always has, always will. >but have only >made one call that might have had a slightly beneficial effect on safety in >three years? Thanks for making our case for cellphone ban at the wheel. Not. Just your wildly active imagination that everyone is going to fly off the road and crash if they talk on a cell phone. Hey - if driving is so damn dangerous, can I breath while I drive? How about blink? This stuff is silly - the task isn't that hard. All you have to do is know how to pay attention to the most important stuff while incidentally doing some other stuff. It can be done, but has to be practiced. Dave Head >Chris |
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Dave Head > wrote in
: > Just your wildly active imagination that everyone is going to > fly off the road and crash if they talk on a cell phone. Hey - if > driving is so damn dangerous, can I breath while I drive? How about > blink? This stuff is silly - the task isn't that hard. All you have > to do is know how to pay attention to the most important stuff while > incidentally doing some other stuff. It can be done, but has to be > practiced. > > Dave Head > >>Chris > > You and many others fail to see the difference between talking on the CP in urban driving conditions,and on the open highways. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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On 21 Jul 2005 00:24:00 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>Dave Head > wrote in : > > >> Just your wildly active imagination that everyone is going to >> fly off the road and crash if they talk on a cell phone. Hey - if >> driving is so damn dangerous, can I breath while I drive? How about >> blink? This stuff is silly - the task isn't that hard. All you have >> to do is know how to pay attention to the most important stuff while >> incidentally doing some other stuff. It can be done, but has to be >> practiced. >> >> Dave Head >> >>>Chris >> >> > >You and many others fail to see the difference between talking on the CP in >urban driving conditions,and on the open highways. Who said anything about urban/suburban/rural driving conditions? The contention here by all the Safety Nazis / Chicken Littles is that we're all gonna die if we talk on the CP while driving. If that weren't the case, they wouldn't be advocating a nationwide ban on using cell phones in cars, which is exactly where they've been taking this. Dave Head |
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Dave Head wrote: > On 21 Jul 2005 00:24:00 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote: > > >Dave Head > wrote in > : > > > > > >> Just your wildly active imagination that everyone is going to > >> fly off the road and crash if they talk on a cell phone. Hey - if > >> driving is so damn dangerous, can I breath while I drive? How about > >> blink? This stuff is silly - the task isn't that hard. All you have > >> to do is know how to pay attention to the most important stuff while > >> incidentally doing some other stuff. It can be done, but has to be > >> practiced. > >> > >> Dave Head > >> > >>>Chris > >> > >> > > > >You and many others fail to see the difference between talking on the CP in > >urban driving conditions,and on the open highways. > > Who said anything about urban/suburban/rural driving conditions? The > contention here by all the Safety Nazis / Chicken Littles is that we're all > gonna die if we talk on the CP while driving. If that weren't the case, they > wouldn't be advocating a nationwide ban on using cell phones in cars, which is > exactly where they've been taking this. > > Dave Head And I hope they succeed. There are enough idiots on the road who can't drive even without the distraction of yakking on a piece of ear candy. Your description of what you use one for is very illumative. Harry K |
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Harry K wrote: > Dave Head wrote: > > On 21 Jul 2005 00:24:00 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote: > > > > >Dave Head > wrote in > > : > > > > > > > > >> Just your wildly active imagination that everyone is going to > > >> fly off the road and crash if they talk on a cell phone. Hey - if > > >> driving is so damn dangerous, can I breath while I drive? How about > > >> blink? This stuff is silly - the task isn't that hard. All you have > > >> to do is know how to pay attention to the most important stuff while > > >> incidentally doing some other stuff. It can be done, but has to be > > >> practiced. > > >> > > >> Dave Head > > >> > > >>>Chris > > >> > > >> > > > > > >You and many others fail to see the difference between talking on the CP in > > >urban driving conditions,and on the open highways. > > > > Who said anything about urban/suburban/rural driving conditions? The > > contention here by all the Safety Nazis / Chicken Littles is that we're all > > gonna die if we talk on the CP while driving. If that weren't the case, they > > wouldn't be advocating a nationwide ban on using cell phones in cars, which is > > exactly where they've been taking this. > > > > Dave Head > > And I hope they succeed. There are enough idiots on the road who can't > drive even without the distraction of yakking on a piece of ear candy. > Your description of what you use one for is very illumative. > > Harry K What about the people who are competent enough to walk and chew gum at the same time? Are we to penalize them for the inability of others to realize their limitations? nate ....who literally could not do his job effectively without a CP. Yes I use a headset whenever I'm away from the office. |
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N8N wrote: > Harry K wrote: > > Dave Head wrote: > > > On 21 Jul 2005 00:24:00 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote: > > > > > > >Dave Head > wrote in > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > >> Just your wildly active imagination that everyone is going to > > > >> fly off the road and crash if they talk on a cell phone. Hey - if > > > >> driving is so damn dangerous, can I breath while I drive? How about > > > >> blink? This stuff is silly - the task isn't that hard. All you have > > > >> to do is know how to pay attention to the most important stuff while > > > >> incidentally doing some other stuff. It can be done, but has to be > > > >> practiced. > > > >> > > > >> Dave Head > > > >> > > > >>>Chris > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >You and many others fail to see the difference between talking on the CP in > > > >urban driving conditions,and on the open highways. > > > > > > Who said anything about urban/suburban/rural driving conditions? The > > > contention here by all the Safety Nazis / Chicken Littles is that we're all > > > gonna die if we talk on the CP while driving. If that weren't the case, they > > > wouldn't be advocating a nationwide ban on using cell phones in cars, which is > > > exactly where they've been taking this. > > > > > > Dave Head > > > > And I hope they succeed. There are enough idiots on the road who can't > > drive even without the distraction of yakking on a piece of ear candy. > > Your description of what you use one for is very illumative. > > > > Harry K > > What about the people who are competent enough to walk and chew gum at > the same time? Are we to penalize them for the inability of others to > realize their limitations? > > nate > > ...who literally could not do his job effectively without a CP. Yes I > use a headset whenever I'm away from the office. You mean those who -think- they can. Just like all of us (me included) on this board that -think- they are the greatest drivers to ever come down the pike. Business was conducted for over a 100 years without the use of CPs. Granted they are damn useful but hardly essential. Then there is the always non-popular option of PARKING to make the call. How about banning them across the board except for those who can pass a test by making a 5 minute important call while performing some technical task? Should be possible to set up some sort of a lab environment for it. Harry K |
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> How about banning them across the board except for those who can pass a
> test by making a 5 minute important call while performing some > technical task? Should be possible to set up some sort of a lab > environment for it. > > Harry K > I'd agree with this, somewhat. I know that some people are multi-taskers and others aren't. I am, but (sadly) my wife is NOT. Your test would result in my being given permission (in advance) to use a cell phone while driving. However, I don't think this should actually be done. It would be a logistical nightmare. The lines at the DMV are already DAYS long. -Dave |
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