American vs German Quality

"Nomen Nescio" > wrote in message
...
> Is there a PROVEABLE difference in Design, Materials, and Fabrication of
> American vs German automobiles?
>
> I think is a myth that country-of-origin has any significance whatsoever
> regarding the merit of automotive product. There are certain differences,
> to be sure; for example:
>
> The front suspension lower control arms on the old Mercedes sedans appears
> to be a forging. American design practice is pressed steel. But is this
> significant? Might they both be equal in real quality even though the
> forgings are obviously more expensive to produce? Perhaps this is just
> overkill.
>
> On real quality issues, like redundant ignition and fuel system
components,
> both are equally deficient. With some mainstream luxury cars approaching
> the 100K mark we still see not aircraft design practice. Only aircraft
> pricing.

You'd love a 100K aircraft. It buys you technology from the 30's.

"Nomen Nescio" > wrote in message
...
> Is there a PROVEABLE difference in Design, Materials, and Fabrication of
> American vs German automobiles?
>
> I think is a myth that country-of-origin has any significance whatsoever
> regarding the merit of automotive product. There are certain differences,
> to be sure; for example:
>
> The front suspension lower control arms on the old Mercedes sedans appears
> to be a forging. American design practice is pressed steel. But is this
> significant? Might they both be equal in real quality even though the
> forgings are obviously more expensive to produce? Perhaps this is just
> overkill.
>
> On real quality issues, like redundant ignition and fuel system
components,
> both are equally deficient. With some mainstream luxury cars approaching
> the 100K mark we still see not aircraft design practice. Only aircraft
> pricing.

You'd love a 100K aircraft. It buys you technology from the 30's.

Who are you and why do you pose stupid questions to various newsgroups? Just
wondering.

"Nomen Nescio" > wrote in message
...
> Is there a PROVEABLE difference in Design, Materials, and Fabrication of
> American vs German automobiles?
>
> I think is a myth that country-of-origin has any significance whatsoever
> regarding the merit of automotive product. There are certain differences,
> to be sure; for example:
>
> The front suspension lower control arms on the old Mercedes sedans appears
> to be a forging. American design practice is pressed steel. But is this
> significant? Might they both be equal in real quality even though the
> forgings are obviously more expensive to produce? Perhaps this is just
> overkill.
>
> On real quality issues, like redundant ignition and fuel system
> components,
> both are equally deficient. With some mainstream luxury cars approaching
> the 100K mark we still see not aircraft design practice. Only aircraft
> pricing.
>

Who are you and why do you pose stupid questions to various newsgroups? Just
wondering.

"Nomen Nescio" > wrote in message
...
> Is there a PROVEABLE difference in Design, Materials, and Fabrication of
> American vs German automobiles?
>
> I think is a myth that country-of-origin has any significance whatsoever
> regarding the merit of automotive product. There are certain differences,
> to be sure; for example:
>
> The front suspension lower control arms on the old Mercedes sedans appears
> to be a forging. American design practice is pressed steel. But is this
> significant? Might they both be equal in real quality even though the
> forgings are obviously more expensive to produce? Perhaps this is just
> overkill.
>
> On real quality issues, like redundant ignition and fuel system
> components,
> both are equally deficient. With some mainstream luxury cars approaching
> the 100K mark we still see not aircraft design practice. Only aircraft
> pricing.
>

Reliability:

Mass produced vehicles are built with one goal in mind.
That goal is is to make a profit for the manufacturer.

Regular maintenance will help you get the most value from any vehicle except
perhaps the Yugo.

Anyone should be able to get 100,000 miles or 10 years out of a car today.
A well maintained car should give you at least 200,000 miles.

Mercedes has its problems. Ask anyone who has purchased one of their SUV's ( I
forget which model recently had so many issues).

Ford had brake rotor warp, head gasket issues, cracked manifolds, and tranny
trouble

DCX / Mopar has / had issues with tranny's in minivans, steering racks and A/C
trouble in LH series cars.

GM has tranny problems, cracked manifolds, electrical trouble and more.

Rice can do no wrong.
Tell that to the guy next door the next time his Honda won't start and get him
to work. A chronic problem no one can fix.

Pick your poison.



Steve

Reliability:

Mass produced vehicles are built with one goal in mind.
That goal is is to make a profit for the manufacturer.

Regular maintenance will help you get the most value from any vehicle except
perhaps the Yugo.

Anyone should be able to get 100,000 miles or 10 years out of a car today.
A well maintained car should give you at least 200,000 miles.

Mercedes has its problems. Ask anyone who has purchased one of their SUV's ( I
forget which model recently had so many issues).

Ford had brake rotor warp, head gasket issues, cracked manifolds, and tranny
trouble

DCX / Mopar has / had issues with tranny's in minivans, steering racks and A/C
trouble in LH series cars.

GM has tranny problems, cracked manifolds, electrical trouble and more.

Rice can do no wrong.
Tell that to the guy next door the next time his Honda won't start and get him
to work. A chronic problem no one can fix.

Pick your poison.



Steve

"Steven Fleckenstein" > wrote in message
T...
> Reliability:
>
> Mass produced vehicles are built with one goal in mind.
> That goal is is to make a profit for the manufacturer.
>
> Regular maintenance will help you get the most value from any vehicle
except
> perhaps the Yugo.
>
> Anyone should be able to get 100,000 miles or 10 years out of a car today.
> A well maintained car should give you at least 200,000 miles.

> Mercedes has its problems. Ask anyone who has purchased one of their SUV's
( I
> forget which model recently had so many issues).
>
> Ford had brake rotor warp, head gasket issues, cracked manifolds, and
tranny
> trouble
>
> DCX / Mopar has / had issues with tranny's in minivans, steering racks and
A/C
> trouble in LH series cars.

> GM has tranny problems, cracked manifolds, electrical trouble and more.
>
> Rice can do no wrong.
> Tell that to the guy next door the next time his Honda won't start and get
him
> to work. A chronic problem no one can fix.

What about when his Honda's transmission quits? Or maybe when his Camry's
engine is filled with sludge.

Mitsu, well, they're just junk.

VWs on the otherhand come pre-disassembled.

"Steven Fleckenstein" > wrote in message
T...
> Reliability:
>
> Mass produced vehicles are built with one goal in mind.
> That goal is is to make a profit for the manufacturer.
>
> Regular maintenance will help you get the most value from any vehicle
except
> perhaps the Yugo.
>
> Anyone should be able to get 100,000 miles or 10 years out of a car today.
> A well maintained car should give you at least 200,000 miles.

> Mercedes has its problems. Ask anyone who has purchased one of their SUV's
( I
> forget which model recently had so many issues).
>
> Ford had brake rotor warp, head gasket issues, cracked manifolds, and
tranny
> trouble
>
> DCX / Mopar has / had issues with tranny's in minivans, steering racks and
A/C
> trouble in LH series cars.

> GM has tranny problems, cracked manifolds, electrical trouble and more.
>
> Rice can do no wrong.
> Tell that to the guy next door the next time his Honda won't start and get
him
> to work. A chronic problem no one can fix.

What about when his Honda's transmission quits? Or maybe when his Camry's
engine is filled with sludge.

Mitsu, well, they're just junk.

VWs on the otherhand come pre-disassembled.

Nomen Nescio wrote:

> Is there a PROVEABLE difference in Design, Materials, and Fabrication of
> American vs German automobiles?

It is provable, that it is in people`s minds. Over here, people say It"s
full of plastic." when they think of american cars. What they forget .. a
mercedes is full of plastic too - it only looks different.

--
Talk To You Later ...
Hans from Germany

******* PT Cruiser 2.0 Limited ********
*** United we Stand. Divided we Fall. ***
************* (214 to go) *************

Nomen Nescio wrote:

> Is there a PROVEABLE difference in Design, Materials, and Fabrication of
> American vs German automobiles?

It is provable, that it is in people`s minds. Over here, people say It"s
full of plastic." when they think of american cars. What they forget .. a
mercedes is full of plastic too - it only looks different.

--
Talk To You Later ...
Hans from Germany

******* PT Cruiser 2.0 Limited ********
*** United we Stand. Divided we Fall. ***
************* (214 to go) *************