2004 CR-V "first oil change" technical bulletin?

> > Actually, it is the original, factory installed filters that had
> > problems. See http://tinyurl.com/cvyvp
> >
>
> Hm.
>
> So what caused this problem? Are CR-Vs being equipped with differently
> designed filters than other Hondas?
>
> Did the factory apply them dry?
>
> In all my years of changing filters I have only ever had this happen with
> aftermarket filters, and filters that had been left on for unreasonably
> extended lenghts of time.

The official story from Honda is that they received a batch of oil
filter gaskets from their supplier that was of such a composition that
it would tend to get stuck on the oil filter flange. The replacement oil
filters do not have this type of gasket, and the gasket material now in
use at the factory does not have the problem.

This is a perfectly good explanation, but in addition there is the
unfortunate location of the oil filter where leaking oil will squirt
onto the hot exhaust manifold. Relocation of the filter or installation
of some sort of shield would in my view be the proper fix, as any
mechanic sooner or later could be guilty of double gasketing.

Randolph wrote:
> The official story from Honda is that they received a batch of oil
> filter gaskets from their supplier that was of such a composition that
> it would tend to get stuck on the oil filter flange.

so basically the OEM fram filters had weak glue on em.

SoCalMike > wrote in
:

> Randolph wrote:
>> The official story from Honda is that they received a batch of oil
>> filter gaskets from their supplier that was of such a composition that
>> it would tend to get stuck on the oil filter flange.
>
> so basically the OEM fram filters had weak glue on em.
>


The gaskets are not glued in place.

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TeGGeR=AE wrote:
> "y_p_w" > wrote in
> oups.com:
>
>
> > Is oil on the exhaust really that dangerous?
>
>
> I wondered...
>
>
> > The oil filter in my
> > folks' 2001 Toyota Camry V6 is mounted in such a way that they oil
> > **HAS TO** drip through a hole and down the A-pipe. The location
> > is easily accessible though.

Just to clarify - that filter is mounted at the front of the block.
The mount actually has a hole where the oil from the filter is
routed down to the exhaust pipes. It's fairly easy to clean it
off save a bracket where it's hard to sponge off all the oil

> If I change my '91 'Teg's oil too soon after shutting the car down,
> it ALWAYS drips on the exhaust. There is one single bolt on the
> entire exhaust system that is rust-free, and it's the one right
> where the drip is.

On my '95 GS-R and '89 RS, I would use a piece of aluminum foil to
funnel the oil away from the axle and exhaust.

TeGGeR® wrote:

> SoCalMike > wrote in
> :
>
>
>>Randolph wrote:
>>
>>>The official story from Honda is that they received a batch of oil
>>>filter gaskets from their supplier that was of such a composition that
>>>it would tend to get stuck on the oil filter flange.
>>
>>so basically the OEM fram filters had weak glue on em.
>>
> The gaskets are not glued in place.

Even the Fram made Honda OEMs use molded P-type gaskets held in place
by a flange. Typical aftermarket filters use cut pieces of tubular
rubber which stay (by friction) in a depression.

y_p_w wrote:
>
>
> TeGGeR® wrote:
>
>> SoCalMike > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>
>>> Randolph wrote:
>>>
>>>> The official story from Honda is that they received a batch of oil
>>>> filter gaskets from their supplier that was of such a composition that
>>>> it would tend to get stuck on the oil filter flange.
>>>
>>>
>>> so basically the OEM fram filters had weak glue on em.
>>>
>> The gaskets are not glued in place.
>
>
> Even the Fram made Honda OEMs use molded P-type gaskets held in place
> by a flange. Typical aftermarket filters use cut pieces of tubular
> rubber which stay (by friction) in a depression.

i thought honda oem filters were denso, not fram? it's what denso claim
and certainly an aftermarket denso filter /looks/ identical to oem, a
fram filter /definitely/ doesn't.

jim beam > wrote in
:


> i thought honda oem filters were denso, not fram?


Canadian ones are FRAM (Honeywell Consumer Products). Have been for at
least 12 years.

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jim beam wrote:

> y_p_w wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> TeGGeR® wrote:
>>
>>> SoCalMike > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>
>>>> Randolph wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The official story from Honda is that they received a batch of oil
>>>>> filter gaskets from their supplier that was of such a composition that
>>>>> it would tend to get stuck on the oil filter flange.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> so basically the OEM fram filters had weak glue on em.
>>>>
>>> The gaskets are not glued in place.
>>
>>
>>
>> Even the Fram made Honda OEMs use molded P-type gaskets held in place
>> by a flange. Typical aftermarket filters use cut pieces of tubular
>> rubber which stay (by friction) in a depression.
>
>
> i thought honda oem filters were denso, not fram? it's what denso claim
> and certainly an aftermarket denso filter /looks/ identical to oem, a
> fram filter /definitely/ doesn't.

Honda's main Japanese filter supplier is Toyo Roki. I once bought
several of their filters. Honda's main North American filter suppliers
are Fram and Filtech (a US division of Toyo Roki).

I wouldn't be surprised if Denso sells filters to Honda, but I've
never seen one at a dealer. Denso is a huge filter supplier to
Toyota though. A factory filter on a Camry was the weirdest looking
spin-on filter I've ever seen. Strange baseplate, different bypass,
and the media looked strange from the center tube. Turned out it
was a "depth-type" media.

<http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/parts/toyota_filter/index.html>