Interesting Alternative to Bicycles

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:08:16 -0700, Scott en Aztlán
> wrote:

>http://www.chicagosuntimes.com/outpu...cotrans14.html
>
>Driver's bicycling alternative sure to be a hit
>
>August 14, 2006
>
>BY GARY WISBY Environment Reporter
>
>
>People switch to fuel-efficient vehicles for all kinds of reasons.
>Margaret James realized it was time for a change the day an impatient
>driver rear-ended her bicycle.
>
>"I wasn't injured, but it scared the crap out of me," the Evanston
>musician said. "I started looking on the Internet for safer ways to
>bike."
>
>Now James tools around in a Twike, a teardrop-shaped contraption that
>combines pedal power with battery propulsion.
>
>Vehicles, bikes at show
>
>Her Swiss-made three-wheeler, one of five being driven in this
>country, is among the alternative vehicles that will be on view
>Tuesday at the first Eco-Transportation Show.
>
>It's sponsored by the nonprofit Foresight Design Initiative as an
>extension of the monthly meeting of Chicago Green Drinks, composed of
>professionals, students and others with an environmental bent.
>
>The event at the Jefferson Tap, 325 N. Jefferson, will precede a 7
>p.m. talk on "sustainable transportation" by panelists from the CTA,
>Chicagoland Bicycle Federation and Metropolitan Planning Council.
>Admission to the discussion is $5.
>
>But there's no charge for the 4 p.m. to 7 p.m. outdoor show, which
>will feature 13 enclosed vehicles and half a dozen specialized
>bicycles.
>
>Among them are the biodiesel-burning Volkswagen that Scott Schechter
>fuels with used vegetable oil from restaurants; an electric 1992 Chevy
>S10 pickup truck that carries Ted Lowe 50 miles on a $2 charge; and
>Payton Chung's Extracycle, an SUB (sport-utility bicycle) on which at
>various times he's carried an armchair, a case of wine, a folding bike
>and another person.
>
>"Twike" stands for twin bike. It's built around two recumbent bicycles
>and looks like a cockpit that fell off a jet fighter. Empty, the
>machine weighs only 520 pounds -- "Guys are always picking up the
>front" -- and James can get it going 52 mph.
>
>Mechanics abroad
>
>A passenger can pedal too, but the added weight means James' job isn't
>necessarily any easier. She works so hard that even in winter the
>heating/defrosting system -- two hair dryers mounted at the bottom of
>the windshield -- is more than adequate. "You pedal for two or three
>minutes and boy, you're toasty," said James, 50.
>
>She depends on the battery to make it up hills. "All the energy is
>regenerated on the way down," she said. "It's such a brilliant
>machine."
>
>Twikes cost $16,000 new. James bought her used 1998 model for $12,500.
>She's in contact with the other U.S. owners in Indiana, Minnesota,
>Ohio and Vermont.
>
>Each gets an annual service call from a mechanic sent over by the
>Swiss manufacturer. "If there were five Fords in Switzerland," James
>said, "do you think Ford would send a mechanic there?"

$16,000.?????????????? That's crazy. This is another rip-off.

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:08:16 -0700, Scott en Aztlán
> > wrote:
>
> >http://www.chicagosuntimes.com/outpu...cotrans14.html
> >
> >Driver's bicycling alternative sure to be a hit
> >
> >August 14, 2006
> >
> >BY GARY WISBY Environment Reporter
> >
> >
> >People switch to fuel-efficient vehicles for all kinds of reasons.
> >Margaret James realized it was time for a change the day an impatient
> >driver rear-ended her bicycle.
> >
> >"I wasn't injured, but it scared the crap out of me," the Evanston
> >musician said. "I started looking on the Internet for safer ways to
> >bike."
> >
> >Now James tools around in a Twike, a teardrop-shaped contraption that
> >combines pedal power with battery propulsion.
> >
> >Vehicles, bikes at show
> >
> >Her Swiss-made three-wheeler, one of five being driven in this
> >country, is among the alternative vehicles that will be on view
> >Tuesday at the first Eco-Transportation Show.
> >
> >It's sponsored by the nonprofit Foresight Design Initiative as an
> >extension of the monthly meeting of Chicago Green Drinks, composed of
> >professionals, students and others with an environmental bent.
> >
> >The event at the Jefferson Tap, 325 N. Jefferson, will precede a 7
> >p.m. talk on "sustainable transportation" by panelists from the CTA,
> >Chicagoland Bicycle Federation and Metropolitan Planning Council.
> >Admission to the discussion is $5.
> >
> >But there's no charge for the 4 p.m. to 7 p.m. outdoor show, which
> >will feature 13 enclosed vehicles and half a dozen specialized
> >bicycles.
> >
> >Among them are the biodiesel-burning Volkswagen that Scott Schechter
> >fuels with used vegetable oil from restaurants; an electric 1992 Chevy
> >S10 pickup truck that carries Ted Lowe 50 miles on a $2 charge; and
> >Payton Chung's Extracycle, an SUB (sport-utility bicycle) on which at
> >various times he's carried an armchair, a case of wine, a folding bike
> >and another person.
> >
> >"Twike" stands for twin bike. It's built around two recumbent bicycles
> >and looks like a cockpit that fell off a jet fighter. Empty, the
> >machine weighs only 520 pounds -- "Guys are always picking up the
> >front" -- and James can get it going 52 mph.
> >
> >Mechanics abroad
> >
> >A passenger can pedal too, but the added weight means James' job isn't
> >necessarily any easier. She works so hard that even in winter the
> >heating/defrosting system -- two hair dryers mounted at the bottom of
> >the windshield -- is more than adequate. "You pedal for two or three
> >minutes and boy, you're toasty," said James, 50.
> >
> >She depends on the battery to make it up hills. "All the energy is
> >regenerated on the way down," she said. "It's such a brilliant
> >machine."
> >
> >Twikes cost $16,000 new. James bought her used 1998 model for $12,500.
> >She's in contact with the other U.S. owners in Indiana, Minnesota,
> >Ohio and Vermont.
> >
> >Each gets an annual service call from a mechanic sent over by the
> >Swiss manufacturer. "If there were five Fords in Switzerland," James
> >said, "do you think Ford would send a mechanic there?"
>
> $16,000.?????????????? That's crazy. This is another rip-off.

If that is what it will cost, that is what you will have to pay.
Obviously they are people willing to pay that. Personally, I think it
takes some kind of nutjob to spend $16,000 for a fancy electric bike
when I can just buy a tricked out 450 hp chevy 350 to drop into my jeep
for a quarter of that.

It's called 'supply and demand'. Look it up. If there are people
willing to pay that much, that is what it will go for. If not, they
wont sell many, will they?

Just because you think it's 'good for the environemtn' does not mean
they have to sell it cheap.

Yol Bolsun,
Grendel.

"We're amused by you libs and dims. It's kinda like watching the
chimps at the zoo. You know there's a limited amount of intelligence
there, they're cute and they're fun to watch, but you know they'll
never quite make evolutionary leap."

On 14 Aug 2006 09:02:33 -0700, "Grendel" >
wrote:

>
>laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:

>>
>> $16,000.?????????????? That's crazy. This is another rip-off.
>
>If that is what it will cost, that is what you will have to pay.
>Obviously they are people willing to pay that. Personally, I think it
>takes some kind of nutjob to spend $16,000 for a fancy electric bike
>when I can just buy a tricked out 450 hp chevy 350 to drop into my jeep
>for a quarter of that.
>
>It's called 'supply and demand'. Look it up. If there are people
>willing to pay that much, that is what it will go for. If not, they
>wont sell many, will they?
>

You are an idiot. Supply and demand does not mandate a particular
price. THINK

"laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE" > wrote in message
> You are an idiot. Supply and demand does not mandate a particular
> price. THINK

Oh God, every so often, something so stupid comes out
of it's head, I have to laugh out loud.

This is why I can't block LBMHBF, such unadulterated
stupidity is pretty funny, albeit unintentionally.

Bernard

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:04:47 -0700, "bernard farquart"
> wrote:

>
>"laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE" > wrote in message
>> You are an idiot. Supply and demand does not mandate a particular
>> price. THINK
>
>Oh God, every so often, something so stupid comes out
>of it's head, I have to laugh out loud.
>
>This is why I can't block LBMHBF, such unadulterated
>stupidity is pretty funny, albeit unintentionally.
>
>Bernard
>

HAHAHA. I see that once again all you have is childish namecalling.
Apparently even you realize i'm right and so have no other response.
HAHAHA.

Are you really so stupid that you think the seller has no freedom
where to set the price?? THINK

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE > wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:08:16 -0700, Scott en Aztlán > posted:

>>Twikes cost $16,000 new. James bought her used 1998 model for $12,500.
>>She's in contact with the other U.S. owners in Indiana, Minnesota,
>>Ohio and Vermont.
>>
>>Each gets an annual service call from a mechanic sent over by the
>>Swiss manufacturer. "If there were five Fords in Switzerland," James
>>said, "do you think Ford would send a mechanic there?"
>
>$16,000.?????????????? That's crazy. This is another rip-off.

It says here $26,000: http://www.twike.us/

Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:04:47 -0700, "bernard farquart"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE" > wrote in message
> >> You are an idiot. Supply and demand does not mandate a particular
> >> price. THINK
> >
> >Oh God, every so often, something so stupid comes out
> >of it's head, I have to laugh out loud.
> >
> >This is why I can't block LBMHBF, such unadulterated
> >stupidity is pretty funny, albeit unintentionally.
> >
> >Bernard
> >
>
> HAHAHA. I see that once again all you have is childish namecalling.
> Apparently even you realize i'm right and so have no other response.
> HAHAHA.
>
> Are you really so stupid that you think the seller has no freedom
> where to set the price?? THINK

Yes, he does, and as HE IS THE ONLY SELLER of this product (thus the
'supply' is low) he can set any price he wants. If the DEMAND is there
(and it must be as he is selling them), then he will get the price he
is asking. If not, then he must price them to where they WILL sell.

Simply put (in deference to you):
High Supply, low demand=low prices.
Low Supply, high demand=high prices.

If no one were demanding to buy this vehicle, then he wouldn't be able
to charge $16,000. As he is able to get that price, obviously it is
the right price.

See, supply and demand. There is a demand for a better alternative to
a bicycle by people who are environmentally friendly. There is not
much of a supply. Thus, the seller can ask a better price.

It might not seem 'appropriate' to you, but then you're an idiot.

Thanks for proving our case. Both that 'Supply and Demand' were in
effect here, and that you are hopelessly stupid.

Yol Bolsun,
Grendel.

"We're amused by you tree huggers. It's kinda like watching the chimps
at the zoo. You know there's a limited amount of intelligence there,
they're cute and they're fun to watch, but you know they'll never quite
make evolutionary leap."

On 15 Aug 2006 07:53:25 -0700, wrote:

>
>laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:

>>
>> Are you really so stupid that you think the seller has no freedom
>> where to set the price?? THINK
>

>
>If no one were demanding to buy this vehicle, then he wouldn't be able
>to charge $16,000. As he is able to get that price, obviously it is
>the right price.

HAHAHA. And if i price my beater at $10,000 and some idiot buys it
then that proves that $10,000 is obviously the right price.!!??
HAHAHA. Your stupidity is boundless.

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
> On 15 Aug 2006 07:53:25 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Are you really so stupid that you think the seller has no freedom
> >> where to set the price?? THINK
> >
>
> >
> >If no one were demanding to buy this vehicle, then he wouldn't be able
> >to charge $16,000. As he is able to get that price, obviously it is
> >the right price.
>
> HAHAHA. And if i price my beater at $10,000 and some idiot buys it
> then that proves that $10,000 is obviously the right price.!!??

Fallacy of argument.

The following would be a more comparable argument:

If you were able to find someone who will buy your beater for $10,000
then, yes, you set the right price.

If you have a $10,000 price tag on your beater, and you neighbor has a
dozen similar beaters he's offering for only $2,000 with only one
person looking to buy, then your price would be wrong and you would not
sell your car. Supply would exceed demand, prices lower.

If you have a $10,000 price tag on your beater, there are no other cars
for sale and there are a dozen people looking for a car, you could sell
your beater for $10,000 with ease (for that matter, you could auction
it off to the highest bidder and get $20,000). Demand would exceed
supply, prices higher.

In the case of this thread, obviously the seller set the right price as
he has buyers. If the market dries up and demand is less, he'll have
to price them lower.

> HAHAHA. Your stupidity is boundless.

You're too ****ing stupid to realize that you're supporting the
argument for Supply and Demand. But then, you just too ****ing stupid,
period.

Yol bolsun,
Grendel.

We're amused by laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE. It's kinda like
watching the orangutans at the zoo. You know there's absolutely NO
intelligence there, they're butt-ugly and do nothing but sit and
scratch their ass, and you know they'll never develop the intelligence
of a pile of ****."

wrote:
> laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
>> On 15 Aug 2006 07:53:25 -0700, wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you really so stupid that you think the seller has no freedom
>>>> where to set the price?? THINK
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> If no one were demanding to buy this vehicle, then he wouldn't be
>>> able to charge $16,000. As he is able to get that price, obviously
>>> it is the right price.
>>
>> HAHAHA. And if i price my beater at $10,000 and some idiot buys it
>> then that proves that $10,000 is obviously the right price.!!??
>
> Fallacy of argument.
>
> The following would be a more comparable argument:
>
> If you were able to find someone who will buy your beater for $10,000
> then, yes, you set the right price.
>
> If you have a $10,000 price tag on your beater, and you neighbor has a
> dozen similar beaters he's offering for only $2,000 with only one
> person looking to buy, then your price would be wrong and you would
> not sell your car. Supply would exceed demand, prices lower.
>
> If you have a $10,000 price tag on your beater, there are no other
> cars for sale and there are a dozen people looking for a car, you
> could sell your beater for $10,000 with ease (for that matter, you
> could auction it off to the highest bidder and get $20,000). Demand
> would exceed supply, prices higher.
>
> In the case of this thread, obviously the seller set the right price
> as he has buyers. If the market dries up and demand is less, he'll
> have to price them lower.
>
>> HAHAHA. Your stupidity is boundless.
>
> You're too ****ing stupid to realize that you're supporting the
> argument for Supply and Demand. But then, you just too ****ing
> stupid, period.
>
> Yol bolsun,
> Grendel.
>
> We're amused by laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE. It's kinda like
> watching the orangutans at the zoo. You know there's absolutely NO
> intelligence there, they're butt-ugly and do nothing but sit and
> scratch their ass, and you know they'll never develop the intelligence
> of a pile of ****."

LBVH is a hateful, lying weasel on top of being an idiot and a coward.
Other than that, he's a helluva guy.