service engine soon light

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:33:39 GMT, aarcuda69062 > wrote:

>In article >,
> Gordon > wrote:
>
<snip>
>
>You haven't been driving very long, have you?

Sounds like you're the one guessing now!

>
>> Maybe Chrysler has gotten
>> the last dollar from my
>> pocket!
>
>I'd suggest a GM product.
>(you need educating)

First Chrysler product I've own and likely the last in 35+ years of owning cars, mostly GM. Actually it was a choice between a GM and this Dodge. Unfortunately, the Dodge won...

Funny, I've NEVER owned a General Maintenance product in 30+ years of owning
cars, and never will own a GM product. For me, there has only been one
choice, a Mopar. And, they've always been good to me. Just like, I guess, GM
cars have been good to you. If you're happy with them, then stick with them.

Larry
Behold Beware Believe

"Gordon" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:33:39 GMT, aarcuda69062 >
> wrote:
>
>>In article >,
>> Gordon > wrote:
>>
> <snip>
>>
>>
>>> Maybe Chrysler has gotten
>>> the last dollar from my
>>> pocket!
>>
>>I'd suggest a GM product.
>>(you need educating)
>
> First Chrysler product I've own and likely the last in 35+ years of owning
> cars, mostly GM. Actually it was a choice between a GM and this Dodge.
> Unfortunately, the Dodge won...



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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:49:45 -0600, "Larry Crites" > wrote:

>Funny, I've NEVER owned a General Maintenance product in 30+ years of owning
>cars, and never will own a GM product. For me, there has only been one
>choice, a Mopar. And, they've always been good to me. Just like, I guess, GM
>cars have been good to you. If you're happy with them, then stick with them.
>
>Larry
>Behold Beware Believe

The make of car wasn't even an issue till the other poster decided to make it an issue, due in part to me trying to be 'informed' prior to taking my car to a shop and asked too
many questions. Now, knowing just how some folks behave when they're favorite make of car is being questioned, in this case relative to maintenance issues, leaves me thinking they
might not be very well adjusted or feels everyone should just take it to the shop and hope they don't screw you.

For the record, I've owned a number US manufactured makes manufactured since 1967 and a number of foreign makes. My stable currently has three different makes, all domestic makes
at this time, (total of 4 vehicles), (although the Dodge Stratus has Mitsubishi stickers all over it). None of which would make me 'sing the party line' hence I purchased the
Dodge.

This car has had three visits to a dealer's shop under warranty for SES issues, all different issues, one visit when the air conditioning compressor went bad @ 30,000 miles, and
three visits for noisy air leaks through the weather seal in the passenger side speaker mounted in the window when the car was less than 2 months old, they had a hard time finding
where the leak was coming from, (total of 7 visits for 5 different issues under warranty) and three visits for different issues since the 70,000 mile wrap-a-round warranty expired
(now at 85,000 miles) for a total of 10 visits to a Dodge dealer with another trip now needed to someone's shop for what might be the O2 sensor. No other vehicles I've owned has
had that many trips to a shop for maintenance issues, not even two vehicles combined.

>G<

In article >,
Gordon > wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:33:39 GMT, aarcuda69062 >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > Gordon > wrote:
> >
> <snip>
> >
> >You haven't been driving very long, have you?
>
> Sounds like you're the one guessing now!

No ****. Are you anything less than 100% certain that we've ever
met?

You come across like a 16 year old when he first discovers that
the fuel tank goes empty and the money you were going to spend on
Pokemon cards has to be spent elsewhere...

> >
> >> Maybe Chrysler has gotten
> >> the last dollar from my
> >> pocket!
> >
> >I'd suggest a GM product.
> >(you need educating)
>
> First Chrysler product I've own and likely the last in 35+ years of owning
> cars, mostly GM. Actually it was a choice between a GM and this Dodge.
> Unfortunately, the Dodge won...

Slash lengthwise you poor traumatized person.

In article >,
Gordon > wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:49:45 -0600, "Larry Crites" >
> wrote:
>
> >Funny, I've NEVER owned a General Maintenance product in 30+ years of owning
> >cars, and never will own a GM product. For me, there has only been one
> >choice, a Mopar. And, they've always been good to me. Just like, I guess, GM
> >cars have been good to you. If you're happy with them, then stick with them.
> >
> >Larry
> >Behold Beware Believe
>
> The make of car wasn't even an issue till the other poster decided to make it
> an issue, due in part to me trying to be 'informed' prior to taking my car to
> a shop and asked too
> many questions. Now, knowing just how some folks behave when they're
> favorite make of car is being questioned, in this case relative to
> maintenance issues, leaves me thinking they
> might not be very well adjusted or feels everyone should just take it to the
> shop and hope they don't screw you.
>
> For the record, I've owned a number US manufactured makes manufactured since
> 1967 and a number of foreign makes. My stable currently has three different
> makes, all domestic makes
> at this time, (total of 4 vehicles), (although the Dodge Stratus has
> Mitsubishi stickers all over it). None of which would make me 'sing the
> party line' hence I purchased the
> Dodge.
>
> This car has had three visits to a dealer's shop under warranty for SES
> issues, all different issues, one visit when the air conditioning compressor
> went bad @ 30,000 miles, and
> three visits for noisy air leaks through the weather seal in the passenger
> side speaker mounted in the window when the car was less than 2 months old,
> they had a hard time finding
> where the leak was coming from, (total of 7 visits for 5 different issues
> under warranty) and three visits for different issues since the 70,000 mile
> wrap-a-round warranty expired
> (now at 85,000 miles) for a total of 10 visits to a Dodge dealer with another
> trip now needed to someone's shop for what might be the O2 sensor. No other
> vehicles I've owned has
> had that many trips to a shop for maintenance issues, not even two vehicles
> combined.
>
> >G<

Can we get Gordon a group Awwwwwww ;-(

bank one is the cylinder head that has number 1 cylinder and sensior 2 is the
downstream o2 sensor. you can find bank,
if you look down on the engine at the front of the engine the cylinder head most
forward is bank one if that helps ya

Gordon wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:13:24 -0400, "maxpower" > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Gordon" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:00:37 -0400, "maxpower" >
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Gordon" > wrote in message
> >> .. .
> >> >> On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:07:25 -0400, "maxpower" >
> >> >wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Gordon" > wrote in message
> >> >> .. .
> >> >> >> On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:57:42 GMT, "RM v2.0" > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Gordon" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> .. .
> >> >> >> >> 2002 Dodge Stratus R/T
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> 85,000 miles
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Seem after filling the gas tank the service engine soon light
> >comes
> >> >on
> >> >> >and
> >> >> >> >> stays on till the tank is about half empty. The light comes on
> >> >about
> >> >> >30
> >> >> >> >> miles after refueling. The fuel
> >> >> >> >> cap is on as tight as it will go. This has been going on for the
> >> >past
> >> >> >5
> >> >> >> >> or 6 fuel tank refills...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>G<
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Bad seal on fuel cap?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> This has been my guess.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >G<
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The only time that monitor is run would be when the outside temp is
> >> >within
> >> >> >10 degrees of the engine temperature. If your engine is hot at the
> >pump
> >> >the
> >> >> >monitor will not run until it cools down.
> >> >> >Find out what fault code is stored.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Glenn Beasley
> >> >> >Chrysler Tech
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks and will do as soon as I get a chance. Does the light have to
> >be
> >> >on or does the microprocessor store errors? The light went back out
> >> >yesterday afternoon, fuel tank @ 2/3
> >> >> full...
> >> >>
> >> >> >G<
> >> >It will store a code. unless the problem fixes itself then it could clear
> >on
> >> >so many good starts.
> >> >
> >> >Glenn Beasley
> >> >Chrysler Tech
> >> >
> >>
> >> OK. Finally got to AutoZone. Code was "02 sensor Bank 1 Sensor 2"
> >>
> >> >G<
> >
> >I don't have the original thread here and cant remember the vehicle in
> >question. The O2 sensor is probably not switching properly. A scan tool
> >would verify that, Replace the O2 sensor. Let me know the engine size and I
> >will tell you which one to replace.
> >
> >Glenn
> >
> 2002 Dodge Stratus R/T with the 3.0
>
> >G<

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 23:56:19 GMT, aarcuda69062
> thought they must type:

>In article >,
> Gordon > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:49:45 -0600, "Larry Crites" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Funny, I've NEVER owned a General Maintenance product in 30+ years of owning
>> >cars, and never will own a GM product. For me, there has only been one
>> >choice, a Mopar. And, they've always been good to me. Just like, I guess, GM
>> >cars have been good to you. If you're happy with them, then stick with them.
>> >
>> >Larry
>> >Behold Beware Believe
>>
>> The make of car wasn't even an issue till the other poster decided to make it
>> an issue, due in part to me trying to be 'informed' prior to taking my car to
>> a shop and asked too
>> many questions. Now, knowing just how some folks behave when they're
>> favorite make of car is being questioned, in this case relative to
>> maintenance issues, leaves me thinking they
>> might not be very well adjusted or feels everyone should just take it to the
>> shop and hope they don't screw you.
>>
>> For the record, I've owned a number US manufactured makes manufactured since
>> 1967 and a number of foreign makes. My stable currently has three different
>> makes, all domestic makes
>> at this time, (total of 4 vehicles), (although the Dodge Stratus has
>> Mitsubishi stickers all over it). None of which would make me 'sing the
>> party line' hence I purchased the
>> Dodge.
>>
>> This car has had three visits to a dealer's shop under warranty for SES
>> issues, all different issues, one visit when the air conditioning compressor
>> went bad @ 30,000 miles, and
>> three visits for noisy air leaks through the weather seal in the passenger
>> side speaker mounted in the window when the car was less than 2 months old,
>> they had a hard time finding
>> where the leak was coming from, (total of 7 visits for 5 different issues
>> under warranty) and three visits for different issues since the 70,000 mile
>> wrap-a-round warranty expired
>> (now at 85,000 miles) for a total of 10 visits to a Dodge dealer with another
>> trip now needed to someone's shop for what might be the O2 sensor. No other
>> vehicles I've owned has
>> had that many trips to a shop for maintenance issues, not even two vehicles
>> combined.
>>
>> >G<
>
>Can we get Gordon a group Awwwwwww ;-(

So, you're saying you'd buy my car knowing it's history?

>G<

In article >,
dr spence > wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 23:56:19 GMT, aarcuda69062
> > thought they must type:
>
> >In article >,
> > Gordon > whined:
> >
> >> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:49:45 -0600, "Larry Crites"
> >> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Funny, I've NEVER owned a General Maintenance product in 30+ years of
> >> >owning
> >> >cars, and never will own a GM product. For me, there has only been one
> >> >choice, a Mopar. And, they've always been good to me. Just like, I guess,
> >> >GM
> >> >cars have been good to you. If you're happy with them, then stick with
> >> >them.
> >> >
> >> >Larry
> >> >Behold Beware Believe
> >>
> >> The make of car wasn't even an issue till the other poster decided to make
> >> it
> >> an issue, due in part to me trying to be 'informed' prior to taking my car
> >> to
> >> a shop and asked too
> >> many questions. Now, knowing just how some folks behave when they're
> >> favorite make of car is being questioned, in this case relative to
> >> maintenance issues, leaves me thinking they
> >> might not be very well adjusted or feels everyone should just take it to
> >> the
> >> shop and hope they don't screw you.
> >>
> >> For the record, I've owned a number US manufactured makes manufactured
> >> since
> >> 1967 and a number of foreign makes. My stable currently has three
> >> different
> >> makes, all domestic makes
> >> at this time, (total of 4 vehicles), (although the Dodge Stratus has
> >> Mitsubishi stickers all over it). None of which would make me 'sing the
> >> party line' hence I purchased the
> >> Dodge.
> >>
> >> This car has had three visits to a dealer's shop under warranty for SES
> >> issues, all different issues, one visit when the air conditioning
> >> compressor
> >> went bad @ 30,000 miles, and
> >> three visits for noisy air leaks through the weather seal in the passenger
> >> side speaker mounted in the window when the car was less than 2 months
> >> old,
> >> they had a hard time finding
> >> where the leak was coming from, (total of 7 visits for 5 different issues
> >> under warranty) and three visits for different issues since the 70,000
> >> mile
> >> wrap-a-round warranty expired
> >> (now at 85,000 miles) for a total of 10 visits to a Dodge dealer with
> >> another
> >> trip now needed to someone's shop for what might be the O2 sensor. No
> >> other
> >> vehicles I've owned has
> >> had that many trips to a shop for maintenance issues, not even two
> >> vehicles
> >> combined.
> >>
> >> >G<
> >
> >Can we get Gordon a group Awwwwwww ;-(
>
> So, you're saying you'd buy my car knowing it's history?

Certainly. You bought it -without- knowing its history so; which
one of us is capable of making a more rational decision?

But if you were trying to sell your car here, you should have
simply stated as such.

"philthy" <"noway "@ seeya.net> wrote in message
...
> bank one is the cylinder head that has number 1 cylinder and sensior 2 is
the
> downstream o2 sensor. you can find bank,
> if you look down on the engine at the front of the engine the cylinder
head most
> forward is bank one if that helps ya
>
> Gordon wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:13:24 -0400, "maxpower" >
wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Gordon" > wrote in message
> > .. .
> > >> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:00:37 -0400, "maxpower"
>
> > >wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >"Gordon" > wrote in message
> > >> .. .
> > >> >> On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:07:25 -0400, "maxpower"
>
> > >> >wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >"Gordon" > wrote in message
> > >> >> .. .
> > >> >> >> On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:57:42 GMT, "RM v2.0" >
wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >"Gordon" > wrote in message
> > >> >> >> .. .
> > >> >> >> >> 2002 Dodge Stratus R/T
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> 85,000 miles
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Seem after filling the gas tank the service engine soon
light
> > >comes
> > >> >on
> > >> >> >and
> > >> >> >> >> stays on till the tank is about half empty. The light comes
on
> > >> >about
> > >> >> >30
> > >> >> >> >> miles after refueling. The fuel
> > >> >> >> >> cap is on as tight as it will go. This has been going on
for the
> > >> >past
> > >> >> >5
> > >> >> >> >> or 6 fuel tank refills...
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>>G<
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >Bad seal on fuel cap?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> This has been my guess.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >G<
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >The only time that monitor is run would be when the outside temp
is
> > >> >within
> > >> >> >10 degrees of the engine temperature. If your engine is hot at
the
> > >pump
> > >> >the
> > >> >> >monitor will not run until it cools down.
> > >> >> >Find out what fault code is stored.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >Glenn Beasley
> > >> >> >Chrysler Tech
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks and will do as soon as I get a chance. Does the light have
to
> > >be
> > >> >on or does the microprocessor store errors? The light went back out
> > >> >yesterday afternoon, fuel tank @ 2/3
> > >> >> full...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >G<
> > >> >It will store a code. unless the problem fixes itself then it could
clear
> > >on
> > >> >so many good starts.
> > >> >
> > >> >Glenn Beasley
> > >> >Chrysler Tech
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> OK. Finally got to AutoZone. Code was "02 sensor Bank 1 Sensor 2"
> > >>
> > >> >G<
> > >
> > >I don't have the original thread here and cant remember the vehicle in
> > >question. The O2 sensor is probably not switching properly. A scan tool
> > >would verify that, Replace the O2 sensor. Let me know the engine size
and I
> > >will tell you which one to replace.
> > >
> > >Glenn
> > >
> > 2002 Dodge Stratus R/T with the 3.0
> >
> > >G<
>
Cylinder #1 is on the rear head passenger side on this vehicle (not the
front). The 02 sensor in question would be the downstream sensor.

Glenn

On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 08:53:16 -0400, "maxpower"
> thought they must type:

>
>"philthy" <"noway "@ seeya.net> wrote in message
...
>> bank one is the cylinder head that has number 1 cylinder and sensior 2 is
>the
>> downstream o2 sensor. you can find bank,
>> if you look down on the engine at the front of the engine the cylinder
>head most
>> forward is bank one if that helps ya
>>
>> Gordon wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:13:24 -0400, "maxpower" >
>wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >"Gordon" > wrote in message
>> > .. .
>> > >> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:00:37 -0400, "maxpower"
>
>> > >wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> >"Gordon" > wrote in message
>> > >> .. .
>> > >> >> On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:07:25 -0400, "maxpower"
>
>> > >> >wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >"Gordon" > wrote in message
>> > >> >> .. .
>> > >> >> >> On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:57:42 GMT, "RM v2.0" >
>wrote:
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> >"Gordon" > wrote in message
>> > >> >> >> .. .
>> > >> >> >> >> 2002 Dodge Stratus R/T
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >> 85,000 miles
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >> Seem after filling the gas tank the service engine soon
>light
>> > >comes
>> > >> >on
>> > >> >> >and
>> > >> >> >> >> stays on till the tank is about half empty. The light comes
>on
>> > >> >about
>> > >> >> >30
>> > >> >> >> >> miles after refueling. The fuel
>> > >> >> >> >> cap is on as tight as it will go. This has been going on
>for the
>> > >> >past
>> > >> >> >5
>> > >> >> >> >> or 6 fuel tank refills...
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >>>G<
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> >Bad seal on fuel cap?
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> This has been my guess.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >G<
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >The only time that monitor is run would be when the outside temp
>is
>> > >> >within
>> > >> >> >10 degrees of the engine temperature. If your engine is hot at
>the
>> > >pump
>> > >> >the
>> > >> >> >monitor will not run until it cools down.
>> > >> >> >Find out what fault code is stored.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >Glenn Beasley
>> > >> >> >Chrysler Tech
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Thanks and will do as soon as I get a chance. Does the light have
>to
>> > >be
>> > >> >on or does the microprocessor store errors? The light went back out
>> > >> >yesterday afternoon, fuel tank @ 2/3
>> > >> >> full...
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> >G<
>> > >> >It will store a code. unless the problem fixes itself then it could
>clear
>> > >on
>> > >> >so many good starts.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Glenn Beasley
>> > >> >Chrysler Tech
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >> OK. Finally got to AutoZone. Code was "02 sensor Bank 1 Sensor 2"
>> > >>
>> > >> >G<
>> > >
>> > >I don't have the original thread here and cant remember the vehicle in
>> > >question. The O2 sensor is probably not switching properly. A scan tool
>> > >would verify that, Replace the O2 sensor. Let me know the engine size
>and I
>> > >will tell you which one to replace.
>> > >
>> > >Glenn
>> > >
>> > 2002 Dodge Stratus R/T with the 3.0
>> >
>> > >G<
>>
>Cylinder #1 is on the rear head passenger side on this vehicle (not the
>front). The 02 sensor in question would be the downstream sensor.
>
>Glenn
>

Thanks, Glenn. I was planning on taking the car to a shop for this
problem, just not sure which one yet. Wanted to know what the problem
might be prior to taking it in and i think i might have an idea.

>G<