Common Cause - Just zis Website

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ats_506337.pdf

On the 9th page, you will see a chart on the top of the page that shows
55% exceeded the speed limit on non-urban motorways.

On the 10th page, 17% were travelling in excess of 80 mph (speed limit
is 70). In this survey were typically free-flowing motorways.
Motorcycles were similar to cars in exceeding the speed limit.

On the 11th page, this is where it gets interesting.

1% of the cars exceed 90 mph, and 16% are going between 80 to 90 mph.
As for motorcycles, it is 2% of them exceeding 90 mph, and 16% going
between 80 to 90 mph. I have seen many cars hitting 100 mph in the
U.K. especially at nights. You will never see that anywhere in the
United States.

Doing 85 mph on 75 mph in Arizona which is much more barren than U.K.
can get you arrested. Furthermore, I can assure you compliance is MUCH
higher in the Netherlands and Belgium where there are traffic cameras
everywhere.

"Wiggums" > wrote
> http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ats_506337.pdf
>
> On the 9th page, you will see a chart on the top of the page that shows
> 55% exceeded the speed limit on non-urban motorways.
>
> On the 10th page, 17% were travelling in excess of 80 mph (speed limit
> is 70). In this survey were typically free-flowing motorways.
> Motorcycles were similar to cars in exceeding the speed limit.
>
> On the 11th page, this is where it gets interesting.
>
> 1% of the cars exceed 90 mph, and 16% are going between 80 to 90 mph.
> As for motorcycles, it is 2% of them exceeding 90 mph, and 16% going
> between 80 to 90 mph. I have seen many cars hitting 100 mph in the
> U.K. especially at nights. You will never see that anywhere in the
> United States.

You'd better check the WA DOT document I posted - there are certainly
places where people go over 100mph.

> Doing 85 mph on 75 mph in Arizona which is much more barren than U.K.
> can get you arrested. Furthermore, I can assure you compliance is MUCH
> higher in the Netherlands and Belgium where there are traffic cameras
> everywhere.

Hard to believe that doing 85 in AZ (or MT, many places in CA, and
other western states) gets you arrested. 85-90 is the normal/85%
speed on rural interstates there. I've driven 85 from Phoenix to Flagstaff
on I15, 85-90 on I5 in the San Joaquin valley; the only thing the cops
touch are the truckers.

Floyd

Wiggums wrote:
>
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group.../downloadable/
dft_transstats_506337.pdf
>
> On the 9th page, you will see a chart on the top of the page that
> shows 55% exceeded the speed limit on non-urban motorways.
>
> On the 10th page, 17% were travelling in excess of 80 mph (speed limit
> is 70). In this survey were typically free-flowing motorways.
> Motorcycles were similar to cars in exceeding the speed limit.
>
> On the 11th page, this is where it gets interesting.
>
> 1% of the cars exceed 90 mph, and 16% are going between 80 to 90 mph.
> As for motorcycles, it is 2% of them exceeding 90 mph, and 16% going
> between 80 to 90 mph. I have seen many cars hitting 100 mph in the
> U.K. especially at nights. You will never see that anywhere in the
> United States.

Which is simply because US cars are slower.

>
> Doing 85 mph on 75 mph in Arizona which is much more barren than U.K.
> can get you arrested. Furthermore, I can assure you compliance is
> MUCH higher in the Netherlands and Belgium where there are traffic cameras
> everywhere.

Hardly suprising is it?

In Arizona, I did 85 and wound up passing a lot of cars on a posted
limit of 75. In California, doing 100 mph just *may* get you arrested.
I was once clocked at 102 on the I-5 in California but it was 1 in the
morning and the cop was mostly interested in seeing if I was drunk
which I wasn't. I got a simple citation, but it did say 102 on it and
booking was not required.

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/legtext...s.1032.tra.htm

FACT SHEET FOR S.B. 1032

Under current statute, an excessive speed violation constitutes a class
3 misdemeanor and the courts can impose a base civil sanction of up to
$500 and can impose a jail sentence of up to 30 days. The courts must
impose a mandatory 60 per cent surcharge on the base fine.

A person who drives over 85 miles per hour in a posted 75 speed limit
zone constitutes an "excessive speed violation" and is guilty of a
class 3 misdemeanor.

Brimstone ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

>> I have seen many cars hitting 100 mph in the
>> U.K. especially at nights. You will never see that anywhere in the
>> United States.

> Which is simply because US cars are slower.

<raises eyebrow>

Most "small" US-market Euro-import cars are the larger engined versions of
the larger models we get here - The smallest VW they get is the 2.0 Golf.
They've only just got the Audi A3 - and that's only the 2.0 turbo. Polo?
Lupo? A2? Bwaahahahaha.

Most US-domestic cars are bloody gurt big v6s or v8s.

Try finding a US-equivalent to a 1.4 Fiesta. The Focus is the smallest Ford
you can buy over there - and it's 2.0 or 2.3 only.

Next cheapest in the US Ford range is the soddin' 4.0 Mustang, then 3.0 v6
Taurus - which is *HYOOOOGE* by UK standards.

Adrian wrote:
> Brimstone ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying :
>
>>> I have seen many cars hitting 100 mph in the
>>> U.K. especially at nights. You will never see that anywhere in the
>>> United States.
>
>> Which is simply because US cars are slower.
>
> <raises eyebrow>
>
> Most "small" US-market Euro-import cars are the larger engined
> versions of the larger models we get here - The smallest VW they get
> is the 2.0 Golf. They've only just got the Audi A3 - and that's only
> the 2.0 turbo. Polo? Lupo? A2? Bwaahahahaha.
>
> Most US-domestic cars are bloody gurt big v6s or v8s.
>
> Try finding a US-equivalent to a 1.4 Fiesta. The Focus is the
> smallest Ford you can buy over there - and it's 2.0 or 2.3 only.
>
> Next cheapest in the US Ford range is the soddin' 4.0 Mustang, then
> 3.0 v6 Taurus - which is *HYOOOOGE* by UK standards.

What about the power to weight ratio and the suspension set up?


(BTW - it was a bit of gentle micky taking so that seem like a double WOOSH.
:-) )

Wiggums wrote:

> 1% of the cars exceed 90 mph, and 16% are going between 80 to 90 mph.
> As for motorcycles, it is 2% of them exceeding 90 mph, and 16% going
> between 80 to 90 mph. I have seen many cars hitting 100 mph in the
> U.K. especially at nights. You will never see that anywhere in the
> United States.

In Colorado, I25 from Denver to the WY border, cars routinely go 85-90
mph, and while it's not 1%, some of them are ocassionally going 100.
And it's a fairly congested road, 3 lanes for the first 15 miles or so...

Rich

Let's see...

In the U.S., the lowest-powered diesel Golf would be the 1.9 litre
TDI's that come with 100 hp. In the UK, the lowest-powered diesel Golf
is the 68-hp normally-aspirated diesel. Should I opt for a petrol Golf
in the U.S., the cheapest one is the 2.0-litre model producing 115-hp,
a far cry from a UK Golf's 1.4 litre motor producing 75 hp.

A base Kia Rio here in the U.S. has a 104-hp 1.6 litre motor while the
base Kia Rio in the UK comes with a paltry 74-hp 1.3-litre motor.

The U.S. does not have VW Lupos here. In the UK, there are Lupos with
a paltry 50-hp 1.0-litre motor that takes a mind-boggling 17.7 seconds
to hit 60 mph.

With that into consideration, I don't think it has anything to do with
the power. However, the sound "ka-ching" is eerily familiar...

That was in comparsion to Europe. Compliance with motorway limits are
lower in the UK compared to Belgium and Netherlands. In France, they
are all gung-ho on speeders and have installed cameras. Time will tell
if they start complying with the limit. In Germany, going from
unrestricted to 120 km/h apparently takes motorists a lot of time and
some just ease up on the gas, taking a full 2 kilometres to finally go
down to 120 km/h, while some drivers hit the brakes at 230 km/h to slow
down to 120 km/h!

I am in Orange County where the posted limit is 65, but everybody does
75 to 80. Police enforcement here is noticeably lower than that of the
UK. On UK motorways, I have gone past speed cameras at 15 mph above
the limit, and there was no flash from the Gatso cameras. On the M4 to
London, I can say with certainty it's well less than half of the cars
complying with the limit and roughly 2 percent exceeding 90, probably
to beat the queue (traffic). When the M4 turns into A4, compliance
increases. It seems cameras on the A4 are more trigger-happy.

Wiggums wrote:

> I am in Orange County where the posted limit is 65, but everybody does
> 75 to 80. Police enforcement here is noticeably lower than that of the
> UK. On UK motorways, I have gone past speed cameras at 15 mph above
> the limit, and there was no flash from the Gatso cameras.

15mph indicated? Could have been as little 77mph, which is within the
ACPO guidelines. Even then, I suspect cameras are often set even higher
as there is little point catching 100 people doing 80mph and then
running out of film, when setting the camera at (say) 85-90ish would
catch 100 more serious offenders instead.