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Accord transmission problems - best approach?
"TomP" > wrote in message ...
> If you have had this car serviced by the "dealer" for the last 5 years. > They may go to bat for you. > 10 year old car: At what point do you take full responsibility and own the > car? > > I'm curious, just what is your expectation regarding transmission life? My expectations are for the whole life of the car, 300 thousand miles or more. Properly mainained transmission should never go bad in my opinion :-) Are my expectations too high for honda? |
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jim beam wrote:
> Tony Harding wrote: >> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: >>> In article >, >>> Tony Harding > wrote: >>> >>>>> It resulted in the largest recall ever, and is the direct result of >>>>> Honda giving too much power to the beancounters in the late >>>>> 80s/early 90s. They went too far, and damn near destroyed Honda's >>>>> carefully built reputation. But what did they care--they needed >>>>> results for next quarter, screw this long term thing. >>>> That philosophy has worked out great for Detroit, hasn't it? One of >>>> the major failings of US management IMHO. >>> >>> Absolutely. >>> >>> Except that Honda had a reputation that Detroit NEVER had. And Honda >>> took steps, voluntary steps, that to this day Detroit management >>> ignores the same way a frog ignores anything that doesn't act like a >>> fly. >>> >>> Honda WANTED to take care of the horrendous problem they created. >>> Detroit doesn't even recognize the problems they create. >> >> As demonstrated in multiple safety recalls - if settling the >> anticipated no. of law suits is cheaper than correcting the problem, >> that's the way they go, no matter how many people die. This is what >> happens when MBAs run the show. > > > thank this guy: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Macnamara > > it's simply the "quantitative approach" he instilled in everything he > touched. he didn't work in detroit long, but his doctrines have been > taken to heart and never forgotten. Yeah, I'd forgotten all about Mr Operations Research. |
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On 2008-07-19, Pszemol > wrote:
> "TomP" > wrote in message ... >> If you have had this car serviced by the "dealer" for the last 5 years. >> They may go to bat for you. >> 10 year old car: At what point do you take full responsibility and own the >> car? >> >> I'm curious, just what is your expectation regarding transmission life? > > My expectations are for the whole life of the car, 300 thousand miles or more. > Properly mainained transmission should never go bad in my opinion :-) > Are my expectations too high for honda? Your expectations are too high for anyone. While most of them will last that long, mechanical failures do occur, and at that age/mileage, it is hard to tell the cause, especially if you don't know the maintenance history... -- Joe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733 joe at hits - buffalo dot com "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around ****ed off all the time..." - Danny, American History X |
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In article >,
says... > The 1998 Accord is, as far as I can determine, not part of the inherently > defective crowd. > > Honda has very publicly admitted to the existence of several serious > defects in V6 auto trannies for the '99 to '04 model years of various > models, and has been generous in fixing them. Honda has had its eye on > Toyota and their past troubles with certain 1MZ-FE 3.0 V6's, and is not > eager to be tarred with the same brush. > > Your '98? Well, it's ten years old, with ten years of potential neglect and > abuse. The wrong fluid, neglected changes, who knows what. > To "mashup" Curly and the rock group REM, "What's the Code, Kenneth?" OK. I mistyped the model year in my original post. It's a '99, not a '98. Purchased with 41K miles on it, as a certified used car from the same dealer that's serviced it since then. The maintenance intervals as specified in the owner's manual for severe conditions have been followed since then (it gets well over 90 degrees here for several months out of the year). Since the tranny fluid changes have been performed at a Honda dealer, I assume they're using Honda ATF. But this is the same dealer whose service department aggressively pushes powerflushing the transmission whenever the topic comes up. I have always refused to have it flushed, but I did have them do a drain-and-fill (once, not 3x) about three months ago when they said the fluid didn't look too good. It was due for a fluid change at 120K (we're only at about 115K now), but I didn't want to risk waiting for the 120K service if the fluid was showing its age. I finally had a chance to drive the car today to get a better feel for what was going on, since the extent of my wife's description of the problem so far has been "it's shifting funny". For the first part of our trip today, it drove fine, with no problems. About midway through our errands, after driving maybe 15-20 miles, I noticed a rough downshift - much rougher than normal, almost enough to chirp the tires. By the time we made another couple of stops, it was very hesitant to upshift. The engine would rev higher, but the car would barely move, and when it did finally upshift, the upshifts were very abrupt and jerky. Downshifting was similarly delayed and rough - the car would come to a complete stop, and sit for a couple of seconds before the final downshift would occur. It eventually got to the point to where it was almost undrivable, and I wasn't sure we were going to make it home, but we did. Oh, and the CEL has yet to come back on since it was reset. My wife mentioned that the problem seems to be worst in the afternoons, which are obviously the hottest part of the day. I was hoping to buy a little time to research the problem further, but based on our drive today, the car is unsafe to drive with the transmission acting like this, so I'm going to have to do something sooner rather than later. My father suggested taking it to a transmission shop to see if it can be repaired as opposed to swapping it out for a remanufactured tranny, but I'm more inclined to start with calling Honda's US customer service department. Since the model year is outside the scope of the warranty extension, and since it would've been past the warranty period at this point anyway, I don't expect a free ride, but I don't think some sort of consideration is unreasonable. With proper maintenance, there's no reason a transmission shouldn't last for the life of the car. Dave |
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So, you do not know how the car was driven, or exactly what was put in
there before the 41K mark... It is possible that the car may have been running non-Z1 for quite some time... Also, is the radiator full and the overflow at the MAX line? It sounds like there may be a problem with the cooling system or the flow of tranny fluid to the cooler. Or, you may benefit from adding a cooler to the car, like would be added if you were planning on towing things. Clearly the heat is a factor... -- Joe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733 joe at hits - buffalo dot com "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around ****ed off all the time..." - Danny, American History X |
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Pszemol wrote: > "TomP" > wrote in message ... > > If you have had this car serviced by the "dealer" for the last 5 years. > > They may go to bat for you. > > 10 year old car: At what point do you take full responsibility and own the > > car? > > > > I'm curious, just what is your expectation regarding transmission life? > > My expectations are for the whole life of the car, 300 thousand miles or more. > Properly mainained transmission should never go bad in my opinion :-) > Are my expectations too high for honda? Your expectation (IMO) is unreasonable for any brand car, including Honda, equipped with an automatic transmission. At what point do you take full responsibility and own the whole car? |
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On Jul 19, 6:29*pm, Joe > wrote:
> So, you do not know how the car was driven, or exactly what was put in > there before the 41K mark... > > It is possible that the car may have been running non-Z1 for quite > some time... > > Also, is the radiator full and the overflow at the MAX line? * > > It sounds like there may be a problem with the cooling system or the > flow of tranny fluid to the cooler. *Or, you may benefit from adding a > cooler to the car, like would be added if you were planning on towing > things. *Clearly the heat is a factor... > > -- > Joe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733 > joe at hits - buffalo dot com > "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around ****ed off all the > time..." - Danny, American History X I've had the same same problem on my 01 V6 Accord. I had about 120K miles on mine as well and I was unaware of the warranty extension (somewhat to my dismay when I did find out later). I do not think the extension was large enough in terms of miles to cover it anyways. At first the dealership wanted about $3500 but then they matched a $2800 quote from a small transmission repair shop. I have a friend who has an Accura plagued by the same transmission problems and having received a similar extension. He's had to replace the transmission multiple times. The last time he had to replace it he was outside of the extension, but after some negotiations, the dealership convinced the manufacturer to provide the parts for free and my buddy only had to pay for labor. That's the path I'd take if I had to deal with this issue again. Gabor |
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TomP wrote:
> > Pszemol wrote: > >> "TomP" > wrote in message ... >>> If you have had this car serviced by the "dealer" for the last 5 years. >>> They may go to bat for you. >>> 10 year old car: At what point do you take full responsibility and own the >>> car? >>> >>> I'm curious, just what is your expectation regarding transmission life? >> My expectations are for the whole life of the car, 300 thousand miles or more. >> Properly mainained transmission should never go bad in my opinion :-) >> Are my expectations too high for honda? > > Your expectation (IMO) is unreasonable for any brand car, including Honda, equipped with > an automatic transmission. > > At what point do you take full responsibility and own the whole car? > you're /way/ too used to being ripped off by detroit garbage whose design spec /is/ 100k. honda /used/ to make automatic transmissions that went 300k no problems. that's why people bought them. failure at detroit intervals puts honda at detroit quality - not good for owner loyalty. |
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In article >,
Tegger > wrote: >The 1998 Accord is, as far as I can determine, not part of the inherently >defective crowd. > >Honda has very publicly admitted to the existence of several serious >defects in V6 auto trannies for the '99 to '04 model years of various >models, and has been generous in fixing them. Wasn't 1998 the first year of that design of Accord that went until 2002 (1999 was the first year of a new design Odyssey minivan)? If so, wouldn't it have similar issues as the 1999-2002 Accord (perhaps worse, being the first year of a new design)? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Timothy J. Lee Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome. No warranty of any kind is provided with this message. |
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