temperature on a 1600tl

i have a 1968 vw1600tl and i think is good to install a gauge to know the
temperature.
I think i can install an oil temperature sender ¿where can i attach the
sender?
do you have a diagram for easy installation?
what's the "normal" temperature?

Regards from spain

The correct temperature for a Spanish VW is approx 10000 degrees on the end
of a gas axe...HA, no but seriously... I suggest you de salinate the the 2nd
oil ring with a coating of self raising flour, as far as a temp guage goes I
would personally insert it in the venturi opening on the left side of the
right cooling tower, just below the fifth and sixth frepsh, it should be
noted that a re-torquing of the plasmatron centres in the pump stages of the
differential should be done at this point by removing the transaxle hub unit
and replacing that with a ghatcooler in order to retain the integrity of the
gferkl bushes inside the housing of the opposing uni ball bearing giuyt.
Bearing in mind that at this point you should be then able to replace any
perished friewort o rings whilst your at it.....Hope this helps

"vw1600tl" <vw1600tlarrobamundo-r.com> wrote in message
...
>i have a 1968 vw1600tl and i think is good to install a gauge to know the
> temperature.
> I think i can install an oil temperature sender ¿where can i attach the
> sender?
> do you have a diagram for easy installation?
> what's the "normal" temperature?
>
> Regards from spain
>
>

Nothing best to do .....
Thnks in advance...
"griplimit" > escribió en el mensaje
...
> The correct temperature for a Spanish VW is approx 10000 degrees on the
end ....

vw1600tl wrote:

> i have a 1968 vw1600tl and i think is good to install a gauge to know the
> temperature.
> I think i can install an oil temperature sender ¿where can i attach the
> sender?
> do you have a diagram for easy installation?
> what's the "normal" temperature?
>
> Regards from spain
>
>
VDO has temperature gauges.
http://www.vdona.com/aftermarket/aftermarket.html

A sender is available which screws into the oil sump plate
or in place of the pressure relief valve.

Wiring is quite simple:
(This is from a French VW club)
http://perso.club-internet.fr/jvila/vdo_how.html

Oil temperature on a Beetle varies greatly, depending mostly on
highway speed and on ambient temperature.
The usual maximum is approximately 100-110 C.

If you can not find a supplier of gauges in Spain,
http://www.aircooled.net/
can supply from the US.

Speedy Jim
http://www.nls.net/mp/volks/

Speedy Jim has the right answers for you but I will add a little to say
you are right to monitor your engine oil temp. I have one in all of
mine and always will. My Puma owners manual says the temp should be
under 105 Cel. Dennis

href="http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4025706&a=30209382&vt=vp">Den's
1977 Puma</a>

Ok, i´ll try to find the oil sump plate or the pressure relief valve¡¡¡ I
don´t know the meaning in spanish and were is located on a type3.
Also i saw that sender are different depending on the screw size
Can i do it myself??


"Speedy Jim" > escribió en el mensaje
...
> vw1600tl wrote:
>
> > i have a 1968 vw1600tl and i think is good to install a gauge to know
the
> > temperature.
> > I think i can install an oil temperature sender ¿where can i attach the
> > sender?
> > do you have a diagram for easy installation?
> > what's the "normal" temperature?
> >
> > Regards from spain
> >
> >
> VDO has temperature gauges.
> http://www.vdona.com/aftermarket/aftermarket.html
>
> A sender is available which screws into the oil sump plate
> or in place of the pressure relief valve.
>
> Wiring is quite simple:
> (This is from a French VW club)
> http://perso.club-internet.fr/jvila/vdo_how.html
>
> Oil temperature on a Beetle varies greatly, depending mostly on
> highway speed and on ambient temperature.
> The usual maximum is approximately 100-110 C.
>
> If you can not find a supplier of gauges in Spain,
> http://www.aircooled.net/
> can supply from the US.
>
> Speedy Jim
> http://www.nls.net/mp/volks/

vw1600tl wrote:

> Ok, i´ll try to find the oil sump plate or the pressure relief valve¡¡¡ I
> don´t know the meaning in spanish and were is located on a type3.
> Also i saw that sender are different depending on the screw size
> Can i do it myself??

http://www.oldbeetle.de/intl/pcat/epc.html
shows all the engine parts.
Click on "07 - Oil Pump, Dual Oil Pump, Oil Strainer"
#11 is the oil sump plate.
#16 is drain plug (not on later engines)

There is not a picture of the relief valve but it is on
bottom of the engine.

This article has some actual measurements of oil temperatu
http://www.type2.com/rvanness/1600saga.htm#9
as well as cylinder head temp.

More gauges he
http://www.egauges.com/default.asp?Cart=

And a *very* complete list of VW sites in bookmark form:
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvall...vwbookmark.htm

Speedy Jim
http://www.nls.net/mp/volks/

>
>
> "Speedy Jim" > escribió en el mensaje
> ...
>
>>vw1600tl wrote:
>>
>>
>>>i have a 1968 vw1600tl and i think is good to install a gauge to know
>
> the
>
>>>temperature.
>>>I think i can install an oil temperature sender ¿where can i attach the
>>>sender?
>>>do you have a diagram for easy installation?
>>>what's the "normal" temperature?
>>>
>>>Regards from spain
>>>
>>>
>>
>> VDO has temperature gauges.
>>http://www.vdona.com/aftermarket/aftermarket.html
>>
>>A sender is available which screws into the oil sump plate
>>or in place of the pressure relief valve.
>>
>>Wiring is quite simple:
>>(This is from a French VW club)
>>http://perso.club-internet.fr/jvila/vdo_how.html
>>
>>Oil temperature on a Beetle varies greatly, depending mostly on
>>highway speed and on ambient temperature.
>>The usual maximum is approximately 100-110 C.
>>
>>If you can not find a supplier of gauges in Spain,
>>http://www.aircooled.net/
>>can supply from the US.
>>
>>Speedy Jim
>>http://www.nls.net/mp/volks/
>
>
>

sorry.... i think i was doing something wrong.¡¡¡ my car is a type3
the drain plug is not that (i think). I watch at the pictures and is not as
the mine

Regards


"Speedy Jim" > escribió en el mensaje
...
> vw1600tl wrote:
>
> > Ok, i´ll try to find the oil sump plate or the pressure relief valve¡¡¡
I
> > don´t know the meaning in spanish and were is located on a type3.
> > Also i saw that sender are different depending on the screw size
> > Can i do it myself??
>
> http://www.oldbeetle.de/intl/pcat/epc.html
> shows all the engine parts.
> Click on "07 - Oil Pump, Dual Oil Pump, Oil Strainer"
> #11 is the oil sump plate.
> #16 is drain plug (not on later engines)
>
> There is not a picture of the relief valve but it is on
> bottom of the engine.
>
> This article has some actual measurements of oil temperatu
> http://www.type2.com/rvanness/1600saga.htm#9
> as well as cylinder head temp.
>
> More gauges he
> http://www.egauges.com/default.asp?Cart=
>
> And a *very* complete list of VW sites in bookmark form:
> http://www.geocities.com/siliconvall...vwbookmark.htm
>
> Speedy Jim
> http://www.nls.net/mp/volks/
>
> >
> >
> > "Speedy Jim" > escribió en el mensaje
> > ...
> >
> >>vw1600tl wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>i have a 1968 vw1600tl and i think is good to install a gauge to know
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>temperature.
> >>>I think i can install an oil temperature sender ¿where can i attach the
> >>>sender?
> >>>do you have a diagram for easy installation?
> >>>what's the "normal" temperature?
> >>>
> >>>Regards from spain
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> VDO has temperature gauges.
> >>http://www.vdona.com/aftermarket/aftermarket.html
> >>
> >>A sender is available which screws into the oil sump plate
> >>or in place of the pressure relief valve.
> >>
> >>Wiring is quite simple:
> >>(This is from a French VW club)
> >>http://perso.club-internet.fr/jvila/vdo_how.html
> >>
> >>Oil temperature on a Beetle varies greatly, depending mostly on
> >>highway speed and on ambient temperature.
> >>The usual maximum is approximately 100-110 C.
> >>
> >>If you can not find a supplier of gauges in Spain,
> >>http://www.aircooled.net/
> >>can supply from the US.
> >>
> >>Speedy Jim
> >>http://www.nls.net/mp/volks/
> >
> >
> >

vw1600tl wrote:
> sorry.... i think i was doing something wrong.¡¡¡ my car is a type3
> the drain plug is not that (i think). I watch at the pictures and is not as
> the mine
>
> Regards

Type 3 1600 uses the same engine case with the same sump plate
pictured. Yours may not have the plug however as later sump
plates discontinued the plug. A machine shop can easily tap
the plate for whatever sender you purchase.

Speedy Jim
http://www.nls.net/mp/volks/


>
>
> "Speedy Jim" > escribió en el mensaje
> ...
>
>>vw1600tl wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Ok, i´ll try to find the oil sump plate or the pressure relief valve¡¡¡
>
> I
>
>>>don´t know the meaning in spanish and were is located on a type3.
>>>Also i saw that sender are different depending on the screw size
>>>Can i do it myself??
>>
>> http://www.oldbeetle.de/intl/pcat/epc.html
>>shows all the engine parts.
>>Click on "07 - Oil Pump, Dual Oil Pump, Oil Strainer"
>>#11 is the oil sump plate.
>>#16 is drain plug (not on later engines)
>>
>>There is not a picture of the relief valve but it is on
>>bottom of the engine.
>>
>>This article has some actual measurements of oil temperatu
>>http://www.type2.com/rvanness/1600saga.htm#9
>>as well as cylinder head temp.
>>
>>More gauges he
>>http://www.egauges.com/default.asp?Cart=
>>
>>And a *very* complete list of VW sites in bookmark form:
>>http://www.geocities.com/siliconvall...vwbookmark.htm
>>
>>Speedy Jim
>>http://www.nls.net/mp/volks/
>>
>>
>>>
>>>"Speedy Jim" > escribió en el mensaje
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>vw1600tl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>i have a 1968 vw1600tl and i think is good to install a gauge to know
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>temperature.
>>>>>I think i can install an oil temperature sender ¿where can i attach the
>>>>>sender?
>>>>>do you have a diagram for easy installation?
>>>>>what's the "normal" temperature?
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards from spain
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> VDO has temperature gauges.
>>>>http://www.vdona.com/aftermarket/aftermarket.html
>>>>
>>>>A sender is available which screws into the oil sump plate
>>>>or in place of the pressure relief valve.
>>>>
>>>>Wiring is quite simple:
>>>>(This is from a French VW club)
>>>>http://perso.club-internet.fr/jvila/vdo_how.html
>>>>
>>>>Oil temperature on a Beetle varies greatly, depending mostly on
>>>>highway speed and on ambient temperature.
>>>>The usual maximum is approximately 100-110 C.
>>>>
>>>>If you can not find a supplier of gauges in Spain,
>>>>http://www.aircooled.net/
>>>>can supply from the US.
>>>>
>>>>Speedy Jim
>>>>http://www.nls.net/mp/volks/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

Speedy Jim wrote:

>
> This article has some actual measurements of oil temperatu
> http://www.type2.com/rvanness/1600saga.htm#9
> as well as cylinder head temp.

Hey now, that's pretty handy, S-Jim! I have a thermal probe at the end
of the Wonderbus's dipstick (Mexi 1600 DP). With air preheating stove
piped up to the oil bath air cleaner, SVDA set to 42 degrees advance @
3700 rpm, and blowing down Interstate 5/805 freeways from San Diego's
North County to darn near the Mexican border, over considerable hill and
dale, I have found that if I keep the ground speed at 55mph (a speed
that consternates the local drivers with its snail-like progress) the
temp in the sump peaks at 230F on the grades and hovers around 220F on
the average. This with air temps in the mid 70's. If the ambient temp
goes up 20 or 30 degrees I reckon I better use another vehicle.

I have been wondering if my temps are unusually high, but Ron van Ness's
measurements look pretty similar to mine.

He added an additional oil cooler. This won't help the heads much, I
reckon, as they are not receiving oil for cooling purposes. But he felt
that it would help the oil from temperature-induced breakdown. Bob
Hoover wrote a sermonette about lubes a few years ago, and cautioned
against using multigrade oils as they break down around 350F (head temp
near exhaust valves) leaving your engine with the low end of the grade,
i.e., your 10W40 turns into straight 10W or something similar.

However, I read that synthetics claim to have a higher breakdown temp
than dino oils. Redline makes a big hoop-de-do about that. To Bob
Hoover, paying Good Money for expensive $ynthetic oil that just needs to
be changed out every few thousand miles is a waste. But I reckon that
anything that raises the breakdown threshold is a Good Thing, All Other
Things Being Equal (he said, knowing full well that all other things are
/never/ equal).

I dunno if there are suitable single-grade synthetics on the market with
higher breakdown temp than my current 30W Ancient Seabed oil.

Anyone in the Southwest have any Words O' Wisdom about all this?

--
Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott
71 Type 2: the Wonderbus
84 Westphalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)"
KG6RCR
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