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And that is the part that is beside the point.
The failure mode is that the strut can't control tire bounce anymore, just as the failure point of a shock is that it can't control tire bounce. The fact that the suspension is the strut is beside the point, Captain. "L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message ... > Thank you. This is the part I believed you did realize, and keep > blowing off: "The strut > also is a major suspension component." > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > http://www.billhughes.com/ > > Jeff Strickland wrote: > > > > When the struts fail, the affect is identical to the failure of a shock. The > > resulting tire wear looks a certain way, and it looks the same way - for all > > practical purposes - regardless of whether the car is fitted with shocks or > > struts. > > > > You are talking about the tires falling off the car, I am talking about the > > tires bouncing. Bouncing happens with shocks or struts. Falling off never > > happens. > > > > The question was, (paraphrasing here) "Why are my tires worn out and the > > struts are to blame?" I answered that question, and included the reference > > to shocks because for some strange reason some people grasp the job of a > > shock but fail to grasp the idea that a strut does the same thing. The strut > > also is a major suspension component, but the quality of a strut that > > affects tire wear is the quality that it shares with a shock, and the > > suspension component HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. > > > > Thanks again, Captain Beside the Point. |
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Yes, just as the Libby's ball failure would no longer control it's
wheel: http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosins...tos-319372.htm Strut failu http://members.home.nl/mk2/ext/11.jpg God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O http://www.billhughes.com/ Jeff Strickland wrote: > > And that is the part that is beside the point. > > The failure mode is that the strut can't control tire bounce anymore, just > as the failure point of a shock is that it can't control tire bounce. The > fact that the suspension is the strut is beside the point, Captain. |
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Ben proclaimed:
> I was getting the oil changed in my Saturn at this tire shop and I was told > by the Tech that the struts where shot and they were shredding the tires.. I > have never heard of that before... Can someone help me on that one? I know > it isn't a Jeep question, but I thought that the shredding tire thing was > interesting... If you have an alignment problem, it can harm the tires. The resulting tread wear patterns are very distinctive. Crapped out shocks tend to cup the tire treads. You should be able to see this yourself. Or ask a tire shop that does *not* sell struts. |
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Jeff Strickland proclaimed:
> We understand that completely, but is not part of the question. > > The tires wear because the struts or the shocks are worn, allowing the tires > to bounce in a harmonic pattern that results in cupping along the edges of > the tires. Except of course where it is a strut and is therefore also the front suspension point, and can cause feathering in exactly the same manner as any other worn front non-shock style suspension wear. It would be interesting to know if the shop also sells strut jobs... > |
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> When the struts fail, the affect is identical to the failure of a shock.
No, when the shock assembly inside the strut fails it's identical. A strut failure |
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"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message ... > Yes, just as the Libby's ball failure would no longer control it's > wheel: http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosins...tos-319372.htm > Strut failu http://members.home.nl/mk2/ext/11.jpg Amazingly, these too are beside the point. |
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"wkearney99" > wrote in message ... > > When the struts fail, the affect is identical to the failure of a shock. > > No, when the shock assembly inside the strut fails it's identical. A strut > failure That is the only failure of a strut that I have ever seen, except for a bent strut that got that way from Curb Hunting. |
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Jeff! How many times do I have point out the subject
line????????????????????????????????? God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O http://www.billhughes.com/ Jeff Strickland wrote: > > Amazingly, these too are beside the point. |
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How many times do I have to point out the actual question that asks how TIRE
WEAR can be related to struts. The single most likely cause of tire wear and struts is that the strut looses it's shock absorber quality. "L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message ... > Jeff! How many times do I have point out the subject > line????????????????????????????????? > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > http://www.billhughes.com/ > > Jeff Strickland wrote: >> >> Amazingly, these too are beside the point. |
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L=2EW. Hughes III (=DFill) wrote: > Yes, just as the Libby's ball failure would no longer control it's > wheel: http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosins...tos-319372.htm > Strut failu http://members.home.nl/mk2/ext/11.jpg Bill, that's not a photo of a strut *failure*, it's a photo of a strut *unbolted*. Did you miss all those holes that hold 17mm (usually) bolts? I've seen McPherson strut suspensions go through an awful lot, including *spring perch collapse*, but no failure of the strut itself has ever caused a steering loss that I've seen. The top bearing can fail (although they usually just bind up and make steering very hard or break up and clunk a lot) and a bottom ball joint can fail (which *can* be serious), but the failure of the shock absorber or insert just doesn't have the effect you imagine it does. You probably see dozens of cars every day with 'shot struts'. -- C=2ER. Krieger (Been there; done that) |
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