134a Refrigerant

"Billy Ray" > wrote in message =
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> Sorry..... should have included "dope smoking pot heads" in my list of =

> descriptors

Pot doesn't do what coke does... W was a coke head.
It's why he can lie so easily... his soul's gone.
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"Nathan W. Collier" > wrote in message =
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> "Stephen Cowell" > wrote in message=20
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> > As solid as the stuff in my RV's black water
> > tank... don't step in your solid evidence. : )
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> TRANSLATION --> youre right

I know I'm right, Nate... so does everyone else.
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>>> my evidence shows that refrigerants cannot make it to the atmosphere =
to=20
>>>begin with.
>>>
>>They magically disappear! Answer me this... are
>>you breathing atmosphere now? =20
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> no, theyre still here but the concentration isnt enough to cause a =
problem.=20
> stand in a room after a large vent and youll soon realize what =
concentration=20
> means. once i was driving along in a service van when i suddenly felt =

> "drunk". a can of refrigerant had cracked open in the van bringing =
the=20
> concentration to dangerous levels (which is also why i now work out of =
a=20
> truck).

Do you think that all those refrigerants made it
to the atmosphere? The atmosphere you were
breathing? Then why do you say that CFC's
can't make it to the atmosphere, when you=20
were breathing atmosphere with refrigerants
in it? If they don't make it to the atmosphere,
then they have to magically disappear, right?

> > If you get an explosion, then the fumes dispersed up to
> > the lit match in your hand... Try it!
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> sheesh thats the argument youve been using? once again,=20
> CONCENTRATION. the=20
> fumes cannot disperse themselves at that high of a concenctration. =
stand 12=20
> feet above the gas with the match and then what happens? thats right, =

> NOTHING. the concentration at that level isnt enough.

We're still waiting for you to perform the experiment...
perhaps we can put a fan in the room, to simulate the
thermal mixing of the atmosphere... that would be nice!
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"Earle Horton" > wrote in message =
news:1120000280.3ebba2b721f5fe89ab47cf7945a7051c@t eranews...
> "Nathan W. Collier" > wrote in message
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> > "L.W. ("=DFill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Earle, once showed us his W-2 for over three quarters
> > > of a million dollars, I don't think he worries about your
> > > opinion of him.
> >
> > lol how true. wasnt it 2 million?
> >
> Yeah. Bill was thinking of Uncle Sam's cut. (

Well, let's all line up to kiss his ass! I've dealt with
enough millionaires to know that they can be losers
too... this one sounds like a prime example of an
asshole, albeit a rich asshole. Notice who hangs
around these types... draws 'em like flies.
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I find it odd that Democrats are suddenly so very interested in the
particulars of military service. They didn't seem to care during Clinton's
electoral process.


You're a *real* poopie-head... talk to your NeoCon buddies
about *exemptions*... cowards all. George Will, Pat Buchannan,
Bill O'Reilly, Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Bill Kristol, Rush Limbaugh,
Phil Gramm, Clarence Thomas, Newt Gingrich, Saxby Chambliss,
Bill Bennett, Ken Starr, Judd Gregg, John Ashcroft, Tom Delay...
Dick Cheney... deferred. Chickenhawks, we call them.

Let's talk for a minute about your buddy, Dennis Rader...
model citizen, though just like you, voted just like you,
looked just like you... the sickest f*ck out there. He's
your buddy... you deserve him.
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Stephen Cowell did pass the time by typing:
> "Billy Ray" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Everything that the environmental movement has proclaimed since its coming
>> of age in the 1960s and 1970s has turned out to be wrong.
>
> Oh, boy... another one. So deforestation's good? Jeeping on
> the Moon, better than in the forest? It's good to dump crankcase
> oil in the gutter, or in your backyard? Rivers that burn are
> better than those that don't? Industry should not be regulated
> at all? One from the looney bin...

alt.pave.the.earth

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DougW

Stephen Cowell wrote:
> "Nathan W. Collier" > wrote in message ...
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>>"jeff" > wrote in message
>>news:r2jwe.6303$gm6.2995@trnddc05...
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>>>Freon is a *compound*.
>>
>>WRONG! "freon" is a brand.
>
>
> Well, he's obviously got you there... since it's a brand,
> it *can't* be a compound... we all know that. Once
> you brand it, then the molecules behave differently!
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> Steve
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>
Of course. thermal breakdown ;-)
I got a paper cut from a xerox. I had to put a bandaid on it after
wiping it off with a kleenex.

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jeff

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" > wrote in message
> news:Qygwe.1746$Ku6.1305@trnddc04...
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>>Well, no **** Sherlock! EXCEPT the conversation was about CFCs which are
>>MOLECULES! Come on Google boy, what is the atomic weight of Freon-12, and
>>what is it's element number?
>
>
> dont be stupid. refrigerant (non brand specific which you should know if
> youre who you insinuate you are) is made up of those same elements. when
> even one of them is heavier than air it will sink below it.
>
There are no puddles of dichlordifluoromethane laying around, as there
are no puddles of argon, CO2, or O2. How come? All are heavier than the
admixture we call "air".

DIFFUSION.

Here is a grade school level page on the subject:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ic/diffus.html

BTW, If you want to know how CFCs get to the stratosphere, look at the
thermal loops in tropical cumulonimbus formations. They can build and
carry hailstones the size of grapefruits.

"Stephen Cowell" > wrote in message
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"Nathan W. Collier" > wrote in message
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> "jeff" > wrote in message
> news:Qygwe.1746$Ku6.1305@trnddc04...
> > Well, no **** Sherlock! EXCEPT the conversation was about CFCs which are
> > MOLECULES! Come on Google boy, what is the atomic weight of Freon-12,
and
> > what is it's element number?
>
> dont be stupid. refrigerant (non brand specific which you should know if
> youre who you insinuate you are) is made up of those same elements. when
> even one of them is heavier than air it will sink below it.

Just like the argon pool we're drowning in! Help!
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Well heck, that means I've been wasting all this money on shielding gas for
the MIG welder when I needn't have! There's no pesky lighweight oxygen down
here on the ground to wreck my welds anyway!!!

/Peter

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" > wrote in message
> news:mkfwe.2711$dz6.2664@trnddc02...
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>>BTW, O3 (Ozone) has a specific gravity of 1.66. How come there is an ozone
>>layer if it is "heavier than air"?
>
>
> i didnt say specific gravity. i said atomic weight. look on the table of
> elements.

Did you even take high school chemistry??? There is specific language
that has defined and agreed upon meanings. Specific gravity is the
correct term when discussing when relative weight of one entity (be it a
single atom, a mono atomic molecule, or a compound) in comparison to a
standard, in this case "air". This *IS* what you are saying when you
state that refrigerants are heavier than air.
>
>
>
> what are your specific credentials? if you claim to be within the
> refrigeration/hvac industry ive gotta question that will tell me if you know
> your ass from a hole in the ground.
>

I'm one of those engineers that you don't like. Five years of
engineering school for my BS, some additional grad school to round
things out a bit. Thermodynamics, fluid mechanics, heat transfer in
addition to three years each of chemistry and physics.

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jeff

"Billy Ray" > wrote in message =
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>I wrote:
> "Billy Ray" > wrote :
>> > Perhaps I am showing my age or reflecting on the "knowledge" based=20
>> > education I received in the pre-(wacko) environmentalist days by =
teachers=20
>> > who taught for the love of teaching and the sacred duty of passing=20
>> > education to the youth of our civilization and not the current =
generation=20
>> > of mal-content, long haired ,pinko, commie, liberal, tree hugging, =
volvo=20
>> > driving, teddy kennedy-eugene mccarthy- jimmy carter-clinton =
voting,=20
>> > perverts who went into teaching because it offered an automatic =
exemption=20
>> > from national service during the Vietnam war.

>> You're a *real* poopie-head... talk to your NeoCon buddies
>> about *exemptions*... cowards all. George Will, Pat Buchannan,
>> Bill O'Reilly, Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Bill Kristol, Rush Limbaugh,
>> Phil Gramm, Clarence Thomas, Newt Gingrich, Saxby Chambliss,
>> Bill Bennett, Ken Starr, Judd Gregg, John Ashcroft, Tom Delay...
>> Dick Cheney... deferred. Chickenhawks, we call them.

> I find it odd that Democrats are suddenly so very interested in the=20
> particulars of military service. They didn't seem to care during =
Clinton's=20
> electoral process.

Whimpering noted! Clinton didn't commit the country
to *war*, on trumped-up evidence... that's the '-hawk'
part of 'chickenhawk'. Impressive list, isn't it?

>> Let's talk for a minute about your buddy, Dennis Rader...
>> model citizen, though just like you, voted just like you,
>> looked just like you... the sickest f*ck out there. He's
>> your buddy... you deserve him.

You're not going to defend your *buddy*? He certainly
wasn't a "mal-content, long haired ,pinko, commie, liberal,=20
tree hugging, volvo-driving, teddy kennedy-eugene mccarthy-=20
jimmy carter-clinton voting, pervert(s)"... he was of the
much more dangerous kind, a RW wacko... like McVey
or Koresh. Strange how excesses on the Left are never=20
quite as awe-inspiring as those on the Right... Clinton's
pecker vs. Iraq, basically.
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