Don't compare the PT Cruiser to a Gremlin

Joe wrote:
>
> I'm sure those were fine cars for their day, but they can't compare to
> the performance and versatility of new cars like the PT Cruiser GT.
>
> Here are some times for those old nostalgic cars for 0-60 and 1/4
> mile:
> ...Of course, the Gremlin was a joke:
> 1977 AMC Gremlin X 17.9 20.8 ( http://tinyurl.com/28als )

A tiny car like the Gremlin with a 304 V-8? I find those times really
hard to believe. Maybe they loaded those statistics by matching the
smallest engines available?

Bill Putney
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 18:47:36 -0400, Bill Putney >
wrote:

>A tiny car like the Gremlin with a 304 V-8? I find those times really
>hard to believe. Maybe they loaded those statistics by matching the
>smallest engines available?

Overall length on a 72 Gremlin was 161 inches. A mid 80's Mustang was
181 inches. Not that much difference and those came with 5.0's all
day long. I think we just remember them as tiny because everything
else back then was so HUGE.

Steve B.

wrote:
>
> The 304 X was pretty darn quick, a 360 HO even quicker, and a 401 was
> incredibly quick!!!!! And yes, you COULD buy a Gremmy with a 401
> straight from the dealer - if you knew the right dealer. (not a
> factory option, but a dealer installed special)

Woa! All I knew about was the 304 - borrowed a friends a couple of
times. Even that was dangerous in the hands of a youngster! 360 or
401!? I can't imagine.

Bill Putney
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"Steve B." wrote:
>
> On Thu, 06 May 2004 18:47:36 -0400, Bill Putney >
> wrote:
>
> >A tiny car like the Gremlin with a 304 V-8? I find those times really
> >hard to believe. Maybe they loaded those statistics by matching the
> >smallest engines available?
>
> Overall length on a 72 Gremlin was 161 inches. A mid 80's Mustang was
> 181 inches. Not that much difference and those came with 5.0's all
> day long. I think we just remember them as tiny because everything
> else back then was so HUGE.

FWIW, 5.0L = 305 CI.

Bill Putney
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 19:49:40 -0400, Bill Putney >
wrote:

>
>
>"Steve B." wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 06 May 2004 18:47:36 -0400, Bill Putney >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >A tiny car like the Gremlin with a 304 V-8? I find those times really
>> >hard to believe. Maybe they loaded those statistics by matching the
>> >smallest engines available?
>>
>> Overall length on a 72 Gremlin was 161 inches. A mid 80's Mustang was
>> 181 inches. Not that much difference and those came with 5.0's all
>> day long. I think we just remember them as tiny because everything
>> else back then was so HUGE.
>
>FWIW, 5.0L = 305 CI.
That was my point Bill. You said that you "find those times really
hard to believe". I was trying to point out the car wasn't really all
that little and similarly powered cars have been offered in recent
years.

Steve B.

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On Thu, 06 May 2004 19:49:40 -0400, Bill Putney >
wrote:

>:|
>:|
>:|"Steve B." wrote:
>:|>
>:|> On Thu, 06 May 2004 18:47:36 -0400, Bill Putney >
>:|> wrote:
>:|>
>:|> >A tiny car like the Gremlin with a 304 V-8? I find those times really
>:|> >hard to believe. Maybe they loaded those statistics by matching the
>:|> >smallest engines available?
>:|>
>:|> Overall length on a 72 Gremlin was 161 inches. A mid 80's Mustang was
>:|> 181 inches. Not that much difference and those came with 5.0's all
>:|> day long. I think we just remember them as tiny because everything
>:|> else back then was so HUGE.
>:|
>:|FWIW, 5.0L = 305 CI.
>:|


the Ford 5.0 is a 302 CI.. it works out to like 4.95l or something so
they rounded it up.

-Bret
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>>:|> Overall length on a 72 Gremlin was 161 inches. A mid 80's Mustang
>>:|> was 181 inches. Not that much difference and those came with
>>:|> 5.0's all day long. I think we just remember them as tiny because
>>:|> everything else back then was so HUGE.
>>:|
>>:|FWIW, 5.0L = 305 CI.


You could also get a 2.3 liter 4 cylinder, turbo or nonturbo, an inline six
and the 5.0 V8 of course in a mid 80's Mustang.


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> Overall length on a 72 Gremlin was 161 inches. A mid 80's Mustang was
> 181 inches. Not that much difference and those came with 5.0's all
> day long. I think we just remember them as tiny because everything
> else back then was so HUGE.

20 inches is a big difference when it comes to vehicles. A 2003 Neon: 174.4
inches. An Intrepid? 203.7 inches. That's less than 30 inches overall
length between the smallest and largest models Dodge made that year.

A 2003 Caravan is 189.3 inches long (the Grand Caravan 200.5). So a Neon is
less than 15 inches shorter than a Caravan, and the Intrepid is longer than
a Grand Caravanl!

Incidently, a 2WD RAM regular-cab pickup with an 8' box is 229.7 inches
long.

--Geoff

"Steve B." wrote:
>
> On Thu, 06 May 2004 19:49:40 -0400, Bill Putney >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"Steve B." wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 06 May 2004 18:47:36 -0400, Bill Putney >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >A tiny car like the Gremlin with a 304 V-8? I find those times really
> >> >hard to believe. Maybe they loaded those statistics by matching the
> >> >smallest engines available?
> >>
> >> Overall length on a 72 Gremlin was 161 inches. A mid 80's Mustang was
> >> 181 inches. Not that much difference and those came with 5.0's all
> >> day long. I think we just remember them as tiny because everything
> >> else back then was so HUGE.
> >
> >FWIW, 5.0L = 305 CI.

> That was my point Bill. You said that you "find those times really
> hard to believe". I was trying to point out the car wasn't really all
> that little and similarly powered cars have been offered in recent
> years.

Got it - thanks!

Bill Putney
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Bret Chase wrote:
>
> On Thu, 06 May 2004 19:49:40 -0400, Bill Putney >
> wrote:

> >:|
> >:|FWIW, 5.0L = 305 CI.
> >:|
>
> the Ford 5.0 is a 302 CI.. it works out to like 4.95l or something so
> they rounded it up.

Close enough - 1% diff. Thanks for the info. - it's good to be accurate
and precise.

Bill Putney
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