Chinese Tires Are Ordered Recalled

Sue botyh then and hire a good Jew lawyer


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> On Jun 26, 7:20 pm, "Chairman Mao says:" > wrote:
>> > wrote in message
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>> ps.com...
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>> > On Jun 26, 2:57 pm, "Chairman Mao says:" > wrote:
>> >> Ltlee?
>>
>> >> How far with this lawsuit go in Beijing's People's court no 2?
>>
>> If they try to sue the Chinese tire company what court will throw this
>> out ?
>> Beijing 2 as usual?
>
> Who say they have to sue the Chinese tire company in China?
>
> They imported 450,000 tires. We are talking about several million
> dollars
> of proft.If I were to run the company, I will stationed one or two
> guys in the
> factory monitoring the manufacturing process. If something did not go
> right,
> the guy would have inform the company not accept the tires. The
> company
> could sue the Chineese company in American court for breching the
> contract.
>
>
>>
>> What will happen to the Chinese company will they get sued?
>>
>> I doubt it, you can't get blood from a turnip.
>>
>>
>>
>> > If the tire is found defective, I won't accept them and I won't paid.
>> > What is Beijing's People's court no 2 going to do against me?
>>
>> >> Not very far and both of US know this fact.
>>
>> > That is certainly not true.
>>
>> Yes it is, it will be covered up in denial or blamed placed upon some
>> patsy.
>>
>>
>>
>> >> Most of those companies are owned by the CCP and their relatives, at
>> >> best
>> >> they will find a patsy to blame for everything and give him the death
>> >> penalty in 2 weeks before he can spill the beans.
>>
>> > Don't change teh subject, if you have information pertaining to the
>> > ownership of
>> > the Chinese tire company, feel free to spell it out? Innuendo is
>> > meaningless.
>>
>> It applies, this will be how the patsy gets his in the end to keep those
>> profits high.
>>
>> Anyone getting sued for the pet food fiasco?
>>
>> Didn't think so, it's tough luck and they are still making excuses. Why
>> would this be any different?
>
> Read my other post on lawsuits on pet food companies.
>>
>> You must not understand Neo- Chinese thinking and been in the western
>> world
>> too long.
>> You're thinking the western style justice and western laws.
>
> I am think like a capitalist. How to maximize profit?
>>
>> None of this applies in China.
> How to maximize profit is very Chinese, in and out of China.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> Once, he is dead the problem is solved.
>>
>> >> Did you ever wonder how those corrupt bank officials that got executed
>> >> after
>> >> stealing billions did not have those billions to return?
>>
>> >> They loaned millions upon guanxi party loans , didn't get paid back by
>> >> communist officials and their families, fled when the heat got too
>> >> hot
>> >> and
>> >> were executed quickly before the others could be caught or prosecuted.
>>
>> >> Do you think things have changed?
>>
>> >> The only thing that has not changed is "To get Rich is glorious"
>>
>> >> Mao's Red Book has been replaced with a Bank Book
>>
>> >> > wrote in message
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>> >> > On Jun 26, 12:37 pm, N8N > wrote:
>> >> >> On Jun 26, 12:23 pm, Larry Bud > wrote:
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>> >> >> > On Jun 26, 11:58 am, Brontide > wrote:
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>> >> >> > > On Jun 26, 11:43 am, Larry Bud > wrote:
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>> >> >> > > > On Jun 26, 10:26 am, Brontide > wrote:
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>> >> >> > > > > On Jun 26, 8:31 am, wrote:
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>> >> >> > > > > > Mr. Lavigne said it appeared that Hangzhou Zhongce at
>> >> >> > > > > > times
>> >> >> > > > > > used no
>> >> >> > > > > > gum strips on the tires and in other instances, used half
>> >> >> > > > > > the
>> >> >> > > > > > amount
>> >> >> > > > > > of gum strip that was required by its agreement with the
>> >> >> > > > > > company.
>>
>> >> >> > > > > When there are no repercussions for the Chinese company to
>> >> >> > > > > skimp
>> >> >> > > > > on
>> >> >> > > > > quality, why would they not?
>>
>> >> >> > > > The product has been recalled. What more do you want? How
>> >> >> > > > is
>> >> >> > > > that
>> >> >> > > > different from any American made product that is defective?
>>
>> >> >> > > With an american made product you could go after the
>> >> >> > > manufacturer
>> >> >> > > for
>> >> >> > > negligence, fraud, and many other legal complaints for selling
>> >> >> > > substandard and illegal products.
>>
>> >> >> > Did you read the article? The whole reason this is public is
>> >> >> > because
>> >> >> > there *IS* a lawsuit.
>>
>> >> >> Sure, but I expect this is what is going to happen.
>>
>> >> >> Consumer: My mom died because of your ****ty tires. I'm gonna sue
>> >> >> you.
>>
>> >> >> Distributor: Oh, geez, that sucks. Our Chinese supplier
>> >> >> apparently
>> >> >> omitted a crucial component of the tires without our knowledge.
>> >> >> Unfortunately, due to the costs of this recall program, we're
>> >> >> bankrupt
>> >> >> and as much as we feel for you, we have nothing to offer you.
>>
>> >> >> Consumer: ****. OK, I'll sue the Chinese supplier then.
>>
>> >> >> Chinese supplier: **** off.
>>
>> >> >> Scenario 2:
>>
>> >> >> Distributor: Mr. Chinese Supplier, your omission of a critical
>> >> >> part
>> >> >> of this tire without our knowledge has resulted in the necessity of
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> massive recall. Please let us know what you can do in terms of
>> >> >> providing proper replacement tires, and also upgrading your QC
>> >> >> standards to ensure that this doesn't happen again.
>>
>> >> >> Chinese Supplier: **** off.
>>
>> >> > Is this your understanding of global trade?
>>
>> >> > Sorry to inform you that you are quite wrong.
>>
>> >> > International trade is no different from domestic trade.
>> >> > A contract was drawn up betwen buyer and seller spelling out
>> >> > the specification and price and quantity and mode of delivery
>> >> > and etc. If the products do not meet specification, the buyer
>> >> > would not have accepted the product. It would not have authorized
>> >> > the bank to pay and it could sue for compensation.
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On Jun 26, 10:08 am, (Brent P)
wrote:
> The lesson is that Chinese manufacturing / engineering culture isn't the
> same as Japan's, Korea's, or any one elses.
>
> Just like the pet food and the toothpaste, this is just typical
> made-in-china random design, process, and material changes. Now that more
> critical items are being made in china, the results of these practices
> are making the news. It wasn't going to make news back when they kept
> changing process and material on the plastic housings of the product I was
> working on a few years back. Afterall, it just meant someone's new
> electronic gizmo broke. Now, these random changes kill pets and
> could kill people so they make the news.

Part of the blame goes to the importers of these products for not
making
sure the items are meeting the proper standards. That's what happens
when you go with the lowest bid. People try to cut corners to make a
buck.
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Alex

Roger Blake wrote:

> I have found that most Chinese-made products are absolute garbage,
> particularly when dealing with mechanical components where material
> specifications and manufacturing tolerances are critical. I'm talking
> about light bulbs that should more properly be labeled "flashbulbs,"
> wheel bearings that self-destruct in a few thousand miles, fuel filters
> that leak like sieves, engine mounts with bracket holes drilled in the
> wrong places, rubber and plastic products that crack and disintegrate,
> electrical products with unsafe wiring, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

Your argument should realy be with the importer that palmed these off on you.

It is in fact perfectly possible to get top quality goods made in China but don't expect that
from a 3rd rate import agent. And of course the price may be a give-away too.

Graham

In article . com>, wrote:

>> >> The CEO of the chinese company your suing is also the judge in district
>> >> of china you have to file the suit in...
>>
>> > It is fun to discuss what if.
>> > But at pressent there is no evidence that it is the case.
>>
>> It's not my fault you don't know these things about other cultures.
> Please what are the "these things about other cultures."

Try paying attention to the news some day. Not just the paris hilton
fluff either.


>> >> is there even such a thing as a civil lawsuit in China?
>> > I gues you never read any Chinese newspaper. Of course there are
>> > civil lawsuits n China.

>> I see the subtle meaning is lost on you... Do you really think an ordinary
>> person gets a fair shake in a police state like China?

> Are you trying to change the subject? I think we are talking about a
> Chinese company. No?

I am explaining what I wrote to you since it went over your head.
China has embraced corporativismo.

>> A chinese company can ignore a US court ruling if they don't have any
>> assets in the USA and work through importers. What is someone in the USA
>> going to do to collect? Have GWB send an invasion force?

> Only if the company is samll. But usually people do not import from
> small companies directly. They will import through a large trading
> company which
> serve as some kind of middle man. Anyway, the tire comapny appears
> to be a big one and its sells to other importers. It is likely that
> they will have
> asset in America.

Good luck collecting.

Hell even in the USA with all parties here it can often be difficult to
collect a civil judgement.

Alex wrote:
....
> Part of the blame goes to the importers of these products for not
> making
> sure the items are meeting the proper standards. That's what happens
> when you go with the lowest bid. People try to cut corners to make a
> buck.

There is plenty of blame to go around. Everyone can have a little.
You might even lay some blame on the downtrodden Chinese workers who
haven't revolted and replaced their oppressive government with
something better. Ultimately, it's the United States Governments fault
for not having better trade agreements that would allow for making
Chinese factories as liable for bad products as United States factories.

Anthony

In article >,
Tegger > wrote:
>N8N > wrote in
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>
>
>American Consumer: Those tires say "Made in China" on them. In light of
>the various scandals involving Red China's industry, I do not trust
>them. Do you have any tires that are not made in China?

Once you're dealing with uncrupulous entities, everthing is suspect.
If they're willing to cheat on necessary ingredients they may also stamp
"Made in NotChina" on the outside.

Tires don't usually don't say where they're from. Figuring that out
requries looking up the plant code that's part of the serial number.

m

Anthony Matonak wrote:

> You might even lay some blame on the downtrodden Chinese workers who
> haven't revolted and replaced their oppressive government with
> something better.

Bwahahaahhaahahaha !

You really ought to learn some history.

Graham

I always buy a tire manufactured by a reputable company in one of their
manufacturing plants. I check the DOT manufacturing code on the sidewall
and verify the city/country/plant owner of the manufacturing facility.
If the tire says Good Year on the label I double check that Good year owns
the manufacturing facility it was produced at and that it was not
subcontracted out.


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> NYT / June 26, 2007
> Chinese Tires Are Ordered Recalled
> By ANDREW MARTIN
>
> Federal officials have told a small New Jersey importer to recall
> 450,000 radial tires for pickup trucks, sport utility vehicles and
> vans after the company disclosed that its Chinese manufacturer had
> stopped including a safety feature that prevented the tires from
> separating.
>
> Tread separation is the same defect that led to the recall of millions
> of Firestone tires in 2000. At the time, tire failure was linked to an
> increased risk of rollover of light trucks and S.U.V.'s.
>
> The company, Foreign Tire Sales of Union, N.J., had originally sought
> the federal government's help with a recall, saying it did not have
> enough money to recall all the tires itself. Typically, importers are
> responsible for the cost of recalling defective foreign products.
>
> But officials at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
> said it remained the responsibility of Foreign Tire Sales to pay for
> the costs of the recall, said Heather Hopkins, a spokeswoman for the
> agency. She said the agency wanted "a full tire recall" by the
> company.
>
> The defective tires join a growing list of problematic products with
> origins in China. A huge recall of potentially tainted pet food in
> March was followed by widespread reports of toothpaste manufactured
> with a toxic chemical and toys coated with lead paint.
>
> Ms. Hopkins said the agency's top officials were "outraged" that
> Foreign Tire Sales' executives waited more than two years to pass on
> their suspicions about problems with the tires. The company first
> suspected problems in October 2005. Almost a year later, in September
> 2006, the Chinese manufacturer, Hangzhou Zhongce Rubber, a former
> state-owned company based in eastern China, acknowledged that a gum
> strip that prevents the tread from separating was left out of the
> manufacturing process.
>
> Lawrence N. Lavigne, a lawyer for Foreign Tire Sales, said the company
> did not alert the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration about
> the problems until June 11 because officials had no definitive proof
> of a manufacturing flaw until it was revealed by further testing in
> May. He said it made no sense to initiate a recall based on
> suspicions.
>
> Jeffrey B. Killino, a personal-injury lawyer from Philadelphia, said
> the company came forward only after it was named as a defendant in a
> lawsuit, filed in May, involving an accident in which two construction
> workers were killed and a third was severely injured when a van rolled
> over. The lawsuit contended that the accident was caused by tread
> separation in a Hangzhou Zhongce tire.
>
> Earlier, an ambulance in New Mexico rolled over after a Hangzhou
> Zhongce tire came apart, though there were no significant injuries,
> according to documents supplied by Foreign Tire Sales to the federal
> safety agency.
>
> An official at Hangzhou Zhongce Rubber, reached late Monday, declined
> to comment. The defective tires are sold under the brand names
> Westlake, Compass, Telluride and YKS, Mr. Lavigne said.
>
> Tire separation led to a much larger recall in 2000. Firestone
> recalled 6.5 million tires after at least 271 people were killed and
> hundreds more injured in accidents involving its tires coming apart.
>
> It is not clear how many defective tires might be on the road.
>
> Hangzhou Zhongce has refused to tell Foreign Tire Sales' officials how
> long it omitted the gum strip from its manufacturing process, Mr.
> Lavigne said. Foreign Tire Sales said it believed that it purchased
> about 450,000 of the tires in question from the Chinese company.
>
> Hangzhou Zhongce sold the tires to at least six other importers or
> distributors in the United States.
>
> Foreign Tire Sales, which has just seven employees, buys foreign
> tires, imports them and then resells them to domestic distributors.
> Mr. Lavigne said the company did not physically handle the tires.
>
> The company began negotiating with Hangzhou Zhongce in 2000 to design
> and manufacture radial tires for light trucks. The tires were supposed
> to exceed federal safety standards, partly by including a gum strip
> between the plies to prevent separation, and ultimately passed a road
> test in which they were driven 40,000 miles, Mr. Lavigne said.
>
> In October 2005, the company said it became concerned because of a
> sharp increase in customer complaints about the Hangzhou Zhongce
> radial tires. In investigating the complaints, Foreign Tire Sales'
> officials became suspicious that Hangzhou Zhongce was manufacturing
> the tires without the gum strips or with inadequate gum strips, but
> the Chinese company denied it.
>
> Tests of tire segments conducted by an outside firm were not
> conclusive but "seemed to indicate that there were no gum strips or
> insufficient gum strips in the inspected tires," Foreign Tire Sales
> wrote in its June 11 report to the National Highway Traffic Safety
> Administration.
>
> Hangzhou Zhongce admitted in September 2006 that it had "unilaterally
> decided to omit the gum strips" in the tires, the report says. The
> Chinese company was "generally unresponsive" when asked how many tires
> were involved and what they were going to do to resolve the problem,
> the report says.
>
> Foreign Tire Sales stopped buying the light-truck tires from Hangzhou
> Zhongce in June 2006.
>
> In May, Foreign Tire Sales conducted another round of road tests using
> 2005 Hangzhou Zhongce tires. This time, the tread separated after just
> 25,000 miles, the report said.
>
> Mr. Lavigne said it appeared that Hangzhou Zhongce at times used no
> gum strips on the tires and in other instances, used half the amount
> of gum strip that was required by its agreement with the company.
>
> Since Foreign Tire Sales maintains no inventory of tires, he said the
> company would have to buy new tires for every tire that was returned
> in the recall. That, added to the cost of disposing of the old tires,
> he said, would cost about $200 for each tire.
>
> "We don't really know where to start," he said. "There's no way F.T.S.
> can recall th\0s universe of tires. It will have to go belly up."
>

Eeyore wrote:
> Anthony Matonak wrote:
>
>> You might even lay some blame on the downtrodden Chinese workers who
>> haven't revolted and replaced their oppressive government with
>> something better.
>
> Bwahahaahhaahahaha !
> You really ought to learn some history.

It's not like they would bring in the army and machine gun them all down
if they decided to protest. There is no way the freedom loving Americans
would stand for something like that.

Anthony
--
"Why Yes, I am sitting down."

On Jun 26, 10:05 pm, "Richard" > wrote:
> I always buy a tire manufactured by a reputable company in one of their
> manufacturing plants. I check the DOT manufacturing code on the sidewall
> and verify the city/country/plant owner of the manufacturing facility.
> If the tire says Good Year on the label I double check that Good year owns
> the manufacturing facility it was produced at and that it was not
> subcontracted out.


It's too bad we have to do that. It would be nice if we could trust
that products being sold in the USA were actually good safe products,
without having to go to the store, get the specific information, and
then go back and research that information before making the actual
purchase.