Chinese Company Denies Defect in Recalled Tires

American auto manufacturers sold lots of deathmobiles but it didn't
stop Americans from buying more US made cars. The only thing that
made Americans stop buying American cars was cheap imports.

Even after Ralph Nader educated the American public, it still took law
makers to make cars safer.

" wrote:

> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/bu...7tires.html?hp
>
> "According to the lawsuit, Zhongce officials admitted in September
> 2006 that the gum strip, a safety features that helps bind the tire
> treads more securely, had been removed or not included on some tires.
>
> But on Tuesday, Zhongce officials seemed defiant, saying Foreign Tire
> Sales had been a client of Zhongce for nearly 10 years and had never
> complained about defective tires.

Typical Asian two-faced repsonse which means....

" We changed the product (without telling you) but you didn't complain, so
therefore that means you accepted the design change ".

The only protection against this kind of thing is to have very detailed and
legally enforceable written specs in the contract.

Graham

On Jun 26, 3:31 pm, " > wrote:
> Are the importer dumb?

Dumb to trust the tire company, yes.

> Why would he accept the product them?

Because the tire company was supposed to follow the design. Because
the item is not visible, so you can't see if it is missing.

> If you were in the importer's
> position, would you accept the product knowing that the abssence of
> the > safety feature would got people killed and got you and your company
> into > trouble?

Did the tire manufacturer volunteer that they were removing the
important
safety feature? The importer was probably naive to trust the Chinese
company.

> I, however, are disappointed by serious accusation wihout serious
> proof.

It sure doesn't look good for the manufacturer.
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Alex

On Jun 26, 10:05 pm, James > wrote:
> American auto manufacturers sold lots of deathmobiles but it didn't
> stop Americans from buying more US made cars. The only thing that
> made Americans stop buying American cars was cheap imports.
>
> Even after Ralph Nader educated the American public, it still took law
> makers to make cars safer.

Unfortunately the governement has shown that they are not that smart
when it comes to making those laws. These so called safety laws gave
use killer air bags and make it extremely difficult to turn them
off.
---------------------
Alex

"Eeyore" > wrote in message
...

> Typical Asian two-faced repsonse which means....
>
> " We changed the product (without telling you) but you didn't complain, so
> therefore that means you accepted the design change ".
>
> The only protection against this kind of thing is to have very detailed
and
> legally enforceable written specs in the contract.
>
> Graham

I agree, you must be very definite and concrete in dealing with everybody,
but with
the Chinese, the problem becomes even more important.

Last winter, I was introduced to a Chinese group which was making products
that
would seem to be interesting for the industry I work in.. I asked for more
information,
regarding composition of matter, quality control specifications, etc, which
they refused
to give.

In my case, we could have obtained the samples and determined the parameters
ourselves
BUT if they dont accept the QC procedures and limits, then it would have
been an
exercise in futility. They can do whatever they wish and claim the products
meet their own
internal specifications.

I declined to receive any samples from them. Looking carefully, their
prices, technology,
and deliverability were no better than from any other supplier, but the risk
was certainly
there.

We were just not that hungry.

On Jun 26, 10:40 pm, Eeyore >
wrote:
> " wrote:
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/bu...7tires.html?hp
>
> > "According to the lawsuit, Zhongce officials admitted in September
> > 2006 that the gum strip, a safety features that helps bind the tire
> > treads more securely, had been removed or not included on some tires.
>
> > But on Tuesday, Zhongce officials seemed defiant, saying Foreign Tire
> > Sales had been a client of Zhongce for nearly 10 years and had never
> > complained about defective tires.
>
> Typical Asian two-faced repsonse which means....
>
> " We changed the product (without telling you) but you didn't complain, so
> therefore that means you accepted the design change ".

Can you provide some real life of example of the above "typical asian
two-faced response"?

>
> The only protection against this kind of thing is to have very detailed and
> legally enforceable written specs in the contract.
>
> Graham

James wrote:

> The only thing that
>made Americans stop buying American cars was cheap imports.
>
>
>

Don't you mean less costly imports? My Accord will easily exceed
200k miles with a minimum of repairs, probably providing twice the
mileage of any US car I've ever owned, making it much less costly while
similar US cars are typically lower priced (initial purchase price).

On Jun 27, 7:06 am, > wrote:
> "Eeyore" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > Typical Asian two-faced repsonse which means....
>
> > " We changed the product (without telling you) but you didn't complain, so
> > therefore that means you accepted the design change ".
>
> > The only protection against this kind of thing is to have very detailed
> and
> > legally enforceable written specs in the contract.
>
> > Graham
>
> I agree, you must be very definite and concrete in dealing with everybody,
> but with
> the Chinese, the problem becomes even more important.
>
> Last winter, I was introduced to a Chinese group which was making products
> that
> would seem to be interesting for the industry I work in.. I asked for more
> information,
> regarding composition of matter, quality control specifications, etc, which
> they refused
> to give.
>
> In my case, we could have obtained the samples and determined the parameters
> ourselves
> BUT if they dont accept the QC procedures and limits, then it would have
> been an
> exercise in futility. They can do whatever they wish and claim the products
> meet their own
> internal specifications.
>
> I declined to receive any samples from them. Looking carefully, their
> prices, technology,
> and deliverability were no better than from any other supplier, but the risk
> was certainly
> there.
>
> We were just not that hungry.

The tire importer import 450,000.
If each tire makes $10, the deal will bring $4.5 million.
Samll capital, large profit. It is the best of global trade.

On Jun 26, 10:40 pm, Eeyore >
wrote:
> " wrote:
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/bu...7tires.html?hp
>
> > "According to the lawsuit, Zhongce officials admitted in September
> > 2006 that the gum strip, a safety features that helps bind the tire
> > treads more securely, had been removed or not included on some tires.
>
> > But on Tuesday, Zhongce officials seemed defiant, saying Foreign Tire
> > Sales had been a client of Zhongce for nearly 10 years and had never
> > complained about defective tires.
>
> Typical Asian two-faced repsonse which means....
>
> " We changed the product (without telling you) but you didn't complain, so
> therefore that means you accepted the design change ".
>
> The only protection against this kind of thing is to have very detailed and
> legally enforceable written specs in the contract.
>
> Graham

Well, you can have a contract that spells out everything from the font
size used to print the brand Telluride to the color of the radial ply
material and it won't do a bit of good if you have to enforce the
contract in a country where contract law is still being developed.

The situation with those tires is not unlike the one we have with
generic drugs. Most of that stuff is brought in by small mom and pop
operations that do nothing more than finance and coordinate the
importation and distribution of consumer goods. Most of those small
import shops hold no inventory but only act as facilitators to connect
producers and retailers. They rely on the statements about quality
from manufacturers located in countries that do not have product
safety laws comparable to ours.

" wrote:

> Eeyore wrote:
> > " wrote:
> > >http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/bu...7tires.html?hp
> >
> > > "According to the lawsuit, Zhongce officials admitted in September
> > > 2006 that the gum strip, a safety features that helps bind the tire
> > > treads more securely, had been removed or not included on some tires.
> >
> > > But on Tuesday, Zhongce officials seemed defiant, saying Foreign Tire
> > > Sales had been a client of Zhongce for nearly 10 years and had never
> > > complained about defective tires.
> >
> > Typical Asian two-faced repsonse which means....
> >
> > " We changed the product (without telling you) but you didn't complain, so
> > therefore that means you accepted the design change ".
>
> Can you provide some real life of example of the above "typical asian
> two-faced response"?

I've experienced the same first hand.

Graham