iRacing: The race that changed my mind!

I actually have no issues whatsoever about getting lapped. Really, it
doesn't bug me in the least. As long as the guy lapping me is paying
attention and doesn't punt/bully me out of the way.

When it comes to RC's right now, for me, I'm racing myself and the track.
Everything else is just a required distraction

Road racing is new to me. With the exception of a few Cup RC's in Rascar, I
never ran them. Not until about 4 years ago when I came aboard iRacing.
I've considerably behind everyone else in this regard.

At least I don't HATE them any more

-Larry

"Rob P" > wrote in message
...
> This seems like good advice. On the current track of Laguna I don't get
> lapped, I guess I'm just fast enough to stop this. At Lime Rock I will put
> this into practice. On the straight I will hold my line, but brake a
> little earlier so that I can take the whole bend on the outside line (the
> left). I will need to practice this first as I don't know what the camber
> does there at the mo and I wouldn't want to upset the car and send it off
> the track.
>
> I wish iRacing would publish a newbie guide of race craft with info such
> as this. Otherwise we all develop our own means of dealing with fast cars,
> which as you rightly point out isn't optimal.
>
> RobP

The braking early bit is only approprioate when the lapper moves to your
inside before approaching the braking zone; this way he'll pass you well
before turn-in, and you'll make the turn with full control, nice line,
and therefore you'll get the maximum exit speed despite being overtaking
previously...

If he stays on your line as you approach the braking zone, you should
NOT brake early, as this will surely set up things nicely for a possibly
race-ruining event...

The main thing is to get the lapper past you as quickly as possible
without upsetting his or your line. If you let him by during braking,
you'll be ready for the turn just like on any lap, and he'll make his
turn-in without worrying about what takes place on the outside.

---A---

On 26.08.2008 17:58, * Rob P wrote:
> "Asgeir Nesoen" > wrote in message
> ...
>> A pass, for position or lapping, should always be performed on the
>> inside, and never on the outside. Outside passing will cause accidents
>> all the time, and this will make everyone frustrated.
>>
>> The faster drivers always claim that the slower should give way,
>> because they, due to their superior speed, have a god-given right of way.
>>
>> This is untrue in RL racing, and it is untrue in Sim racing. Everyone
>> with a car on a track on equal terms has a right to be there, and a
>> faster driver becoming stuck behind a slow driver is the faster
>> drivers problem.
>>
>> When that is said, the slower driver should never try to block the
>> faster driver unless fighting for position. You're allowed to block
>> when you're fighting for position, but blocking takes time, and will
>> cause accidents, so you'll have to make up your mind if blocking gets
>> you that podium finish or not. Most of the time it doesn't, IMO. The
>> best racing results when you leave room for the passing driver, so
>> that both drivers can race very hard without risking being pushed off
>> track.
>>
>> When I approach slower drivers, I just *hate* it when they move over
>> when I approach them. I may even hate that more than the slower driver
>> being mindless of what happens behind him, because moving over upsets
>> everyones rythms, and it's accident prone.
>>
>> The correct way of letting by a faster driver at the end of a straight
>> is holding your line, all the way to the outside, braking a bit early
>> so that you don't run off, and just wait for the faster driver to pass
>> on the inside. This is the way it is done in RL, and this is the way
>> it should be done in sim racing.
>>
>> ---A---
>>
>> On 22.08.2008 17:31, * Rob P wrote:
>>>
>
> This seems like good advice. On the current track of Laguna I don't get
> lapped, I guess I'm just fast enough to stop this. At Lime Rock I will
> put this into practice. On the straight I will hold my line, but brake a
> little earlier so that I can take the whole bend on the outside line
> (the left). I will need to practice this first as I don't know what the
> camber does there at the mo and I wouldn't want to upset the car and
> send it off the track.
>
> I wish iRacing would publish a newbie guide of race craft with info such
> as this. Otherwise we all develop our own means of dealing with fast
> cars, which as you rightly point out isn't optimal.
>
> RobP

On Aug 26, 4:30*am, Asgeir Nesoen > wrote:
> A pass, for position or lapping, should always be performed on the
> inside, and never on the outside. Outside passing will cause accidents
> all the time, and this will make everyone frustrated.

That's ridiculous. Look he

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl3yP7JeAZI

--
Pat Dotson

I agree. They got the track down well but they must have scanned it
when it was smooth, as this is what it was like two weeks ago..
http://www.vimeo.com/1551363

GR

>On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:59:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>On Aug 26, 4:30*am, Asgeir Nesoen > wrote:
>> A pass, for position or lapping, should always be performed on the
>> inside, and never on the outside. Outside passing will cause accidents
>> all the time, and this will make everyone frustrated.
>
>That's ridiculous. Look he
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl3yP7JeAZI

I never said outside passing cannot be done, I just said that passes
should be performed on the inside, as a general rule.

In addition the inside/outside pass was discussed here in context of
being lapped. You should try to pass a backmarker when he tries to get
you around him on the outside. If there is at all doubts about inside or
outside pass when passing a backmarker, accidents will occur. All the time.

If a racer consistently tries to pass on the outside, he'll see plenty
of accidents, that is what I meant.

Safe outside passing takes place from time to time, but safe inside
passing takes place *all* the time...

---A---

On 28.08.2008 15:59, * wrote:
> On Aug 26, 4:30 am, Asgeir Nesoen > wrote:
>> A pass, for position or lapping, should always be performed on the
>> inside, and never on the outside. Outside passing will cause accidents
>> all the time, and this will make everyone frustrated.
>
> That's ridiculous. Look he
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl3yP7JeAZI
>
> --
> Pat Dotson

You can stick that in the software you're working on -

IF pass outside attempted

THEN GOTO JAIL, do not pass start/finish line, do not collect winners
pearse.

ELSE continue

STOP

END




"Asgeir Nesoen" > wrote in message
...
>I never said outside passing cannot be done, I just said that passes should
>be performed on the inside, as a general rule.
>
> In addition the inside/outside pass was discussed here in context of being
> lapped. You should try to pass a backmarker when he tries to get you
> around him on the outside. If there is at all doubts about inside or
> outside pass when passing a backmarker, accidents will occur. All the
> time.
>
> If a racer consistently tries to pass on the outside, he'll see plenty of
> accidents, that is what I meant.
>
> Safe outside passing takes place from time to time, but safe inside
> passing takes place *all* the time...
>
> ---A---
>
> On 28.08.2008 15:59, * wrote:
>> On Aug 26, 4:30 am, Asgeir Nesoen > wrote:
>>> A pass, for position or lapping, should always be performed on the
>>> inside, and never on the outside. Outside passing will cause accidents
>>> all the time, and this will make everyone frustrated.
>>
>> That's ridiculous. Look he
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl3yP7JeAZI
>>
>> --
>> Pat Dotson

In GENERAL terms, passing on the inside IS historically safer, and generally
the more-expected method of passing. This doesn't mean that outside passing
doesn't work, but it isn't going to be expected by the majority. Just look
at the mess that F1 drivers get themselves into when they try it

-Larry

> wrote in message
...
On Aug 26, 4:30 am, Asgeir Nesoen > wrote:
> A pass, for position or lapping, should always be performed on the
> inside, and never on the outside. Outside passing will cause accidents
> all the time, and this will make everyone frustrated.

That's ridiculous. Look he

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl3yP7JeAZI

--
Pat Dotson

If the lead driver is blocking the inside line then, especially in real
life due to dust, etc, he needs to brake earlier. Even without the dust
factor, the geometry of the situation demands this as well, especially if he
is considerate enough (yes, a BIG if) to make sure he will not end up on the
outside line due to braking too late. Point is, if the lead car makes his
intentions to block the inside clear then an attempted pass on the outside
is completely legitimate and actually common sense.

And really, the main point here is not situation, but the discipline of
the drivers in play. Remember Montoya pulling that move off on, of all
people, Michael Schumacher?


"Larry" > wrote in message
...
> In GENERAL terms, passing on the inside IS historically safer, and
> generally the more-expected method of passing. This doesn't mean that
> outside passing doesn't work, but it isn't going to be expected by the
> majority. Just look at the mess that F1 drivers get themselves into when
> they try it
>
> -Larry
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> On Aug 26, 4:30 am, Asgeir Nesoen > wrote:
>> A pass, for position or lapping, should always be performed on the
>> inside, and never on the outside. Outside passing will cause accidents
>> all the time, and this will make everyone frustrated.
>
> That's ridiculous. Look he
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl3yP7JeAZI
>
> --
> Pat Dotson