What I don't like about my "new" MSM.

In article > ,
"Frank Berger" > wrote:

> > Also I would think the tire selection my make a difference. At least
> > this is what I have noticed with the 15" ones on my car.
>
> Sure it makes a difference, butI think the amount of rubber between you and
> the road makes a bigger difference.

I beg to differ. Tread compound and carcass construction are far more
important than size, though a larger size of the same tire model may
offer more grip. I guarantee my 205/50-15 RE-11s have more grip wet or
dry than any size S-Drive or T1R you can fit under a Miata's fenders.
The difference isn't subtle, either.

--
Lanny Chambers
St. Louis, MO
'94C

Lanny Chambers wrote:
> In article > ,
> "Frank Berger" > wrote:
>
>>> Also I would think the tire selection my make a difference. At least
>>> this is what I have noticed with the 15" ones on my car.
>> Sure it makes a difference, butI think the amount of rubber between you and
>> the road makes a bigger difference.
>
> I beg to differ. Tread compound and carcass construction are far more
> important than size, though a larger size of the same tire model may
> offer more grip. I guarantee my 205/50-15 RE-11s have more grip wet or
> dry than any size S-Drive or T1R you can fit under a Miata's fenders.
> The difference isn't subtle, either.

It sounds to me like he is commenting more on the feel of the car with
the larger wheels and tires than the tire grip.

I am wondering what kind of ride quality difference I would see running
the 225/50/16 RE-11's, versus the same tire 195/50/15's.

That will probably never be determined, but I am hoping to have the
larger size installed soon.

Of course, to have an exact comparison, the 15" setup would have to
weigh the same as the 16" setup, not an easy thing at all to accomplish.

Pat

Lanny Chambers wrote:
> In article > ,
> "Frank Berger" > wrote:
>
>>> Also I would think the tire selection my make a difference. At least
>>> this is what I have noticed with the 15" ones on my car.
>>
>> Sure it makes a difference, butI think the amount of rubber between
>> you and the road makes a bigger difference.
>
> I beg to differ. Tread compound and carcass construction are far more
> important than size, though a larger size of the same tire model may
> offer more grip. I guarantee my 205/50-15 RE-11s have more grip wet or
> dry than any size S-Drive or T1R you can fit under a Miata's fenders.
> The difference isn't subtle, either.

We were talking about ride, not grip.

In article > ,
"Frank Berger" > wrote:

> We were talking about ride, not grip.

Oops. My mistake. Still, carcass construction is very important to ride.
So is weight.

--
Lanny Chambers
St. Louis, MO
'94C

Lanny Chambers wrote:
> In article > ,
> "Frank Berger" > wrote:
>
>> We were talking about ride, not grip.
>
> Oops. My mistake. Still, carcass construction is very important to ride.
> So is weight.

Any idea how much do the wheels weigh on the MSM? I don't see them listed.

Pat

pws wrote:
> Lanny Chambers wrote:
>> In article > ,
>> "Frank Berger" > wrote:
>>
>>> We were talking about ride, not grip.
>>
>> Oops. My mistake. Still, carcass construction is very important to
>> ride. So is weight.
>
> Any idea how much do the wheels weigh on the MSM? I don't see them
> listed.
> Pat

I've seen them listed as 17-18 lb. Pretty heavy.

Frank Berger wrote:
> pws wrote:
>> Lanny Chambers wrote:
>>> In article > ,
>>> "Frank Berger" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> We were talking about ride, not grip.
>>> Oops. My mistake. Still, carcass construction is very important to
>>> ride. So is weight.
>> Any idea how much do the wheels weigh on the MSM? I don't see them
>> listed.
>> Pat
>
> I've seen them listed as 17-18 lb. Pretty heavy.

A little bit, but not too bad. At least it is not more than the original
steelies. My '96M had 14.5 pound wheels, but they were only 15", so that
sounds about right for most non-forged alloys in 17 inches.

Pat

pws wrote:
> Frank Berger wrote:
>> pws wrote:
>>> Lanny Chambers wrote:
>>>> In article > ,
>>>> "Frank Berger" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We were talking about ride, not grip.
>>>> Oops. My mistake. Still, carcass construction is very important to
>>>> ride. So is weight.
>>> Any idea how much do the wheels weigh on the MSM? I don't see them
>>> listed.
>>> Pat
>>
>> I've seen them listed as 17-18 lb. Pretty heavy.
>
> A little bit, but not too bad. At least it is not more than the
> original steelies. My '96M had 14.5 pound wheels, but they were only
> 15", so that sounds about right for most non-forged alloys in 17
> inches.
> Pat

I bought my '96 with steel wheels which I immediately regretted. Eventually
I replaced them a set of pristine OEM alloys from '99 that I bought on
Miata.net for $400. I probably should have gone up to 15" for looks, but I
didn't.

http://www.partsultimate.com/index.p...duct_id=119255

What I need to know now, is this. Is there a 16" wheel/tire set that will
improve the harsh ride I've got now that I can afford, or should I go to 15
inch wheels? I was looking at this

http://www.good-win-racing.com/Mazda...9SS-COMBO.html

and this.

http://www.good-win-racing.com/Mazda...1-1050FS4.html

Just thinking.

Frank Berger wrote:

> I bought my '96 with steel wheels which I immediately regretted. Eventually
> I replaced them a set of pristine OEM alloys from '99 that I bought on
> Miata.net for $400. I probably should have gone up to 15" for looks, but I
> didn't.
>
> http://www.partsultimate.com/index.p...duct_id=119255

I just sold a set of these wheels in 15" last month.

> What I need to know now, is this. Is there a 16" wheel/tire set that will
> improve the harsh ride I've got now that I can afford, or should I go to 15
> inch wheels? I was looking at this
>
> http://www.good-win-racing.com/Mazda...9SS-COMBO.html
>
> and this.
>
> http://www.good-win-racing.com/Mazda...1-1050FS4.html
>
> Just thinking.

I like how both of those wheel models look, but I also like the Rota
Slipstreams and the OZ Ultraleggras.
Lanny has the former, and Chris D. has the latter, both in 16" iirc, and
they can probably give you some weight estimates.

I keep leaning towards selling the red turbo miata. I wonder how much it
would get with a set of MSM wheels over the 11 to 12 pound 16X7 SSR's
that it has now if a swap were to occur.

Hmmmmm........ Of course, you would have to like how the SSR's look. The
wheels are still nearly pristine after about 50K miles. No curb
incidents and no bends, not yet.

Pat

pws wrote:
> Frank Berger wrote:
>
>> I bought my '96 with steel wheels which I immediately regretted.
>> Eventually I replaced them a set of pristine OEM alloys from '99
>> that I bought on Miata.net for $400. I probably should have gone up
>> to 15" for looks, but I didn't.
>>
>> http://www.partsultimate.com/index.p...duct_id=119255
>
> I just sold a set of these wheels in 15" last month.
>
>> What I need to know now, is this. Is there a 16" wheel/tire set
>> that will improve the harsh ride I've got now that I can afford, or
>> should I go to 15 inch wheels? I was looking at this
>>
>> http://www.good-win-racing.com/Mazda...9SS-COMBO.html
>>
>> and this.
>>
>> http://www.good-win-racing.com/Mazda...1-1050FS4.html
>>
>> Just thinking.
>
> I like how both of those wheel models look, but I also like the Rota
> Slipstreams and the OZ Ultraleggras.
> Lanny has the former, and Chris D. has the latter, both in 16" iirc,
> and they can probably give you some weight estimates.
>
> I keep leaning towards selling the red turbo miata. I wonder how much
> it would get with a set of MSM wheels over the 11 to 12 pound 16X7
> SSR's that it has now if a swap were to occur.
>
> Hmmmmm........ Of course, you would have to like how the SSR's look.
> The wheels are still nearly pristine after about 50K miles. No curb
> incidents and no bends, not yet.
>
> Pat

I looked them up. I like them well enough. What tires do you have on them.
I have Falken Azeni 615s. 215/45/17, IIRC.