NSR Review By Randy Magruder

Steve Blankenship wrote:
>
> Speaking of NSR reviews and Papy references, I can't believe no one's
caught
> this gem from the Gamespot review.
>
> A direct quote: "it's no Grand Prix Legends". They must've been
hanging
> around here! ;-)

Even with it's age and it's faults, Grand Prix Legends just makes you
feel good. Everyone involved in developing that game should be very
proud. Games like that don't come around very often.

>"PC24" > wrote
> Never heard of the guy. Does he own a wheel.
> Or is he just an EA brown noser ?


Shut up newbie.






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> Steve Blankenship wrote:

> Even with it's age and it's faults, Grand Prix Legends just makes you
> feel good. Everyone involved in developing that game should be very
> proud. Games like that don't come around very often.

Stop living in the past.

Fine Wine's do

-Larry

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>> Steve Blankenship wrote:
>
>> Even with it's age and it's faults, Grand Prix Legends just makes you
>> feel good. Everyone involved in developing that game should be very
>> proud. Games like that don't come around very often.
>
> Stop living in the past.
>

Good post Steve.

For the first time, I find myself wanting to like an EA based Nascar SIM.
I'm about 80% the way there.

They've got some issues to deal with. I have hope

-Larry

"Steve Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Randy seems to have a blind eye for ISI. A close look at the file
> structure
> shows NSR is far more closely related to ISI's sims than Papy's. And
> since
> First bought the rights to Papy's code, it looks like the divide will
> continue (if First ever actually stops feeding the lawyers and gets some
> product out the door).
>
> Randy has also forgotten some sims he must have played. He yearns for an
> "automatic difficulty" system to speed up or slow down the AI cars based
> on
> the player's speed. Need for Speed had that in the previous century.
> Grand
> Prix Legends had that seven years ago (everybody hated it). But
> otherwise,
> I agree with his review. The graphics are great. The UI works. The AI
> and
> rules algorithms need some work. Even the road-racing is serviceable.
>
> Papy's games have always been more realistic to drive, but that was all
> you
> got. EA has dicked around with various "career" modes in an effort to
> bolster gameplay. Most have been hokey, but at least somebody is trying
> to
> put something on the table besides a great physics model. There is more
> to
> racing than going fast...but probably less than depicted in "Days of
> Thunder." If Papy sims have always been "Le Mans," EA's sims have been
> "Grand Prix."
>
> The amazing thing is that EA allowed its code monkeys to produce a
> hard-core
> (well, maybe more Jessica Simpson than Jenna Jameson) sim that's still
> accessible to casual players. IMO, EA/Tiburon's biggest contribution to
> advancing the art of racing sims, IMO, are the "stackable" info screens.
> Great idea!
>
> "not spam" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 00:00:34 GMT, (Dave) wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Randy has written most of the best racing sim reviews I've had the
>> >pleasure of reading ... for years. Good to see he is still
>> >around. Now off to that review ...
>> Well I remember Randy from the old days and his review of EA's game
>> is pretty generous to my mind. EA may have gotten "ex papy" people
>> but I think they got the losers. All the good ones went with the
>> lawyers to F1rst Racing lol. Sorry to see him suck up to the big
>> company.
>
>

On 17 Feb 2005 22:29:11 -0800, wrote:

>Stop living in the past.
That would be valid if I didnt't run in two GPL leagues this week. The
65 mod is still the most fun I've had driving a sim car. The past is
now my friend.

You ain't seen nuthin' yet. If SimBin manages to sort out GTR (they're
about 85% there), they'll rule...altho I suspect it will take until they
come out w. the rFactor-based GTR2. Of course, that's road racing. I've
been very impressed with the care and attention EA Tiburon has been
lavishing on the beta testers and beta testing for NSR. You don't spend
that kind of time and effort and money unless you're dead serious about
making it work. And for the kind of moolah EA laid out to get an exclusive
(it undoubtedly would have been cheaper to buy Papyrus, and you'd think
cash-strapped VU would have been only too happy to sell), they'd damn well
better lean into it.

"Larry" > wrote in message
news:bBiRd.43954$EG1.16671@lakeread04...
> Good post Steve.
>
> For the first time, I find myself wanting to like an EA based Nascar SIM.
> I'm about 80% the way there.
>
> They've got some issues to deal with. I have hope
>
> -Larry
>
> "Steve Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Randy seems to have a blind eye for ISI. A close look at the file
> > structure
> > shows NSR is far more closely related to ISI's sims than Papy's. And
> > since
> > First bought the rights to Papy's code, it looks like the divide will
> > continue (if First ever actually stops feeding the lawyers and gets some
> > product out the door).
> >
> > Randy has also forgotten some sims he must have played. He yearns for
an
> > "automatic difficulty" system to speed up or slow down the AI cars based
> > on
> > the player's speed. Need for Speed had that in the previous century.
> > Grand
> > Prix Legends had that seven years ago (everybody hated it). But
> > otherwise,
> > I agree with his review. The graphics are great. The UI works. The AI
> > and
> > rules algorithms need some work. Even the road-racing is serviceable.
> >
> > Papy's games have always been more realistic to drive, but that was all
> > you
> > got. EA has dicked around with various "career" modes in an effort to
> > bolster gameplay. Most have been hokey, but at least somebody is trying
> > to
> > put something on the table besides a great physics model. There is more
> > to
> > racing than going fast...but probably less than depicted in "Days of
> > Thunder." If Papy sims have always been "Le Mans," EA's sims have been
> > "Grand Prix."
> >
> > The amazing thing is that EA allowed its code monkeys to produce a
> > hard-core
> > (well, maybe more Jessica Simpson than Jenna Jameson) sim that's still
> > accessible to casual players. IMO, EA/Tiburon's biggest contribution to
> > advancing the art of racing sims, IMO, are the "stackable" info screens.
> > Great idea!
> >
> > "not spam" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 00:00:34 GMT, (Dave) wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >Randy has written most of the best racing sim reviews I've had the
> >> >pleasure of reading ... for years. Good to see he is still
> >> >around. Now off to that review ...
> >> Well I remember Randy from the old days and his review of EA's game
> >> is pretty generous to my mind. EA may have gotten "ex papy" people
> >> but I think they got the losers. All the good ones went with the
> >> lawyers to F1rst Racing lol. Sorry to see him suck up to the big
> >> company.
> >
> >
>
>

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 02:18:28 GMT, "Steve Smith"
> wrote:

>Randy has also forgotten some sims he must have played. He yearns for an
>"automatic difficulty" system to speed up or slow down the AI cars based on
>the player's speed. Need for Speed had that in the previous century. Grand
>Prix Legends had that seven years ago (everybody hated it).

Not everybody...I personally think it's the best way to do it. I
remember racing the AI in GPL for months untill I succeeded in winning
races. I really had to fight to earn places.

In sims like the ones from ISI it is just passing the AI on the
straight, where they don't go faster than 50 mph....urgh.


Cheers!


Remco

> wrote in message
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> > Steve Blankenship wrote:
>
> > Even with it's age and it's faults, Grand Prix Legends just makes you
> > feel good. Everyone involved in developing that game should be very
> > proud. Games like that don't come around very often.
>
> Stop living in the past.
>

1. You're quoting the wrong poster, Jethro.

2. Whoooshhh....

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:32:49 GMT, "Steve Smith"
> wrote:

>You ain't seen nuthin' yet. If SimBin manages to sort out GTR (they're
>about 85% there), they'll rule...altho I suspect it will take until they
>come out w. the rFactor-based GTR2. Of course, that's road racing. I've
>been very impressed with the care and attention EA Tiburon has been
>lavishing on the beta testers and beta testing for NSR. You don't spend
>that kind of time and effort and money unless you're dead serious about
>making it work. And for the kind of moolah EA laid out to get an exclusive
>(it undoubtedly would have been cheaper to buy Papyrus, and you'd think
>cash-strapped VU would have been only too happy to sell), they'd damn well
>better lean into it.

I don't care what they do with the product, I have a major problem
with a big company excluding everyone else. There is no incentive to
create a better product. Nascar morons will buy whatever they're
given. One only has to look at the t shirts they wear to see that.
ISI and F1rst racing are where I'm turning to. EA can rot in hell.