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  #51  
Old June 16th 04, 07:04 PM
Tha Ghee
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"Mike Smith" > wrote in message
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> Tha Ghee wrote:
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> > "Steve Grauman" > wrote in message
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> >>>when GM
> >>>converted it's cars from using V-8 engines (which are best balanced

with
> >>>a 90 degree configuration)
> >>
> >>Most V6s are 90 degrees, AFAIK.

> >
> > no there about 60 degrees or something close to this

>
> No, they're not. 60 degrees is the optimal angle for balancing, but for
> packaging reasons (i.e. not as tall) 90 degrees is much more common, at
> least in American cars. The Audi/VW 2.8 V6 is 90 degrees, as are the
> newer Audi V6 engines. I believe the Honda 3.0 and 3.5 V6es are also 90
> degrees.
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> --
> Mike Smith
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no you're incorrect, the 2.8 is 15 degree, most are V-6s are 60 degree, the
only ones are GM Ford, the big 3. the 3.0 and 3.5 are 60 degree
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  #52  
Old June 16th 04, 07:06 PM
Tha Ghee
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"Steve Grauman" > wrote in message
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> >why are my claims obnoxious because you disagree with them??
> >

>
> Your claims are obnoxious because they usually involve lies and general
> fabrications. You and your points of view are rarely grounded in reality

and
> anyone that followes your last 2 threads has seen as much.


I guess if you feel correct information is what you construe as lies, as my
last two post have shown I'm correct and you're wrong.

don't be upset that you have yet to prove me wrong and you must go back to
your parents basement and beat off to the fact that I always show you up,
and prove you wrong, and you haven't done that ever.



  #53  
Old June 16th 04, 07:13 PM
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"Steve Grauman" > wrote in message
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> >I think Byron and Toby answered your first question. I would say the

vast
> >majority of V-12s if they are at a 60 degree Vee. the VR engines are 15
> >degrees so how can it be the same. balance shafts are different that
> >dampeners. look at the NA BMW V-12, and the NA MB. no I wasn't you just

didn't answer the question.
> >

>
> I've ridden in 2 generations of MB S600 and a 760IL. I can honestly say

that
> the W12 powered Pheaton I rode in was just as smooth. But you'd have to

have actually been in one to know what you're talking about.

how can you ride in two (2) generations of the 760 this is the first model
of it ever, the same with the MB so now I know you are full of ****. this
is the first model year of both cars so how can you have "I've ridden in 2
generations of MB S600 and a 760IL." when this is the first gen. for both.

so Steve what other bull**** are you going to tell us??

now sir you are the liar, join Olie North, liar.

Stevie is a liar, does it hurt to bend the truth.



  #54  
Old June 16th 04, 07:42 PM
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Tha Ghee wrote:
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> the coupe Accord has the 3.2.


Not in the US it doesn't.

http://www.hondacars.com/models/mode...rDetected=True

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Old June 16th 04, 07:50 PM
Mike Smith
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Tha Ghee wrote:

> "Mike Smith" > wrote in message
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>>No, they're not. 60 degrees is the optimal angle for balancing, but for
>>packaging reasons (i.e. not as tall) 90 degrees is much more common, at
>>least in American cars. The Audi/VW 2.8 V6 is 90 degrees, as are the
>>newer Audi V6 engines. I believe the Honda 3.0 and 3.5 V6es are also 90
>>degrees.

>
> no you're incorrect, the 2.8 is 15 degree


No, the *VR6* is 15 degrees. The *V6* is not. The 2.8L engine used in
the VW Passat and previous-gen Audi A4 and A6 is a 90-degree *V6*, not
the *VR6* used in the GTI. *Different engine*.

> most are V-6s are 60 degree, the
> only ones are GM Ford, the big 3.


Um, given that they are the largest auto manufacturers in the world (not
just the US - the *world*), that would mean that *most* V6es are 90-degree.

> the 3.0 and 3.5 are 60 degree
> www.honda.com


That may be, but GM and Ford make *lots* more engines than Honda worldwide.

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Old June 17th 04, 04:36 AM
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>how can you ride in two (2) generations of the 760 this is the first model
>of it ever


I meant 750/760. Prior to the new version, the 750 was BMW's 12-cylinder
flagship model. So this is not their first one.

> the same with the MB so now I know you are full of ****.


What? Again, MB has been building an S600 for several years! You're a moron.

>now sir you are the liar, join Olie North, liar.
>
>Stevie is a liar, does it hurt to bend the truth.


FInd an instance where I lied. For the time being, you're still the king of
fabrications.
  #57  
Old June 17th 04, 04:38 AM
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>no you're incorrect, the 2.8 is 15

You're a dip****. VW's 2.8 VR6 is 15 degrees. Audi's 2.8 V6, found in the B5 A4
and B5/B5.5 Passat are both 90 degress.
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Old June 17th 04, 04:43 AM
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>how hard can it be to produce more engines??

Let me break this down for you ONE LAST TIME. Whatever production line
adjustements where neccesary for production of the W12 had already been made,
when Audi introduced the engine in 2001. They weren't interested in re-tooling
a mere 2 years later simply so a different engine could be used. The facilities
that handle production of the Lambirghini engine are small, and incapable of
producing enough units per year for both the A8 *and* the Murcielago. DON'T YOU
GET IT?

>why not just turbo charge the
>W-8 and get similar horse power to a V-12.


Audi found out over many years that larger displacement motors are often more
impressive to buyers than smaller, turbocharged mills which appeal mainly to
tuner and enthusiast crowds. This is one of many reasons they choose a version
of the 4.2 litre V8 for the S4 and not a bi-turbo version of the 3.0 litre.
  #59  
Old June 17th 04, 04:46 AM
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>the coupe Accord has the 3.2.

No it doesn't. Both sedan and coupe versions share the same 3.0 litre block.
The NSX and TL are the only models currently produced by Honda/Acura with 3.2
litre motors. Why is it you refuse to check your facts Ghee? Try using the web
once and awhile.

>I know that, but Subie uses a H-4. they just now got H-6, and aren't using
>it as much as they can.
>


You don't know anything, otherwise you wouldn't have claimed that two
"flat-sixes" have adifferent numbers of cylinders. Subaru has had the H6 since
the 2000 Model Year, it's not brand new. And they aren't making much use of it
because the 2.5 litre turbochnarged H-4 is a superior motor.
 




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