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  #31  
Old July 22nd 05, 02:54 AM
L.W.(ßill) Hughes III
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So put your money where you month is, it's only a half second away
at National Hot Rod Association's
http://www.nhra.com/stats/natrecord.html Until then you don't mind if I
be Rolling On The Floor Laughing My A** Off! waiting for you, of course
I guess we could always go twelve cylinders. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

c wrote:
>
> Bill,
> Do you know the difference between a rocket car and a jet car? I did not say
> that the jets were banned, in fact I went to see them at the local track
> just a few weeks ago. I do still remember going to watch my first drag race
> at the same track 28 years ago, and the ROCKET car that was there that night
> ran a 4.93 ET at 344 MPH. This was 28 years ago when the Top Fuel cars still
> had the short wings, they shifted gears, and they didn't have the lockup
> clutches like they do now. Also thousands fewer ponies too. I can't say what
> the TF cars were running back then, but I do know that the 4 second barrier
> was not broken until Eddie Hill did it the week after the US Nationals in
> 1988. He broke the 4 second barrier at the Texas Motorplex running a 4.93ET
> if my memory serves me correctly. I was at Indy that year, and Gene Snow and
> I believe Joe Amato were in the finals. Snow had run a 5.002 in the semi
> finals, and said he would get the 4 in the final, but his throttle linkage
> broke right after he launched. Anyway, my point here is that the rocket cars
> had got so fast, and I believe I remember hearing about a run that was over
> 400MPH and in the very low 4 second range, but that I am not sure of. I
> think that was when all of the sanctioning bodies started banning the
> rockets. Also, the Jets do sometimes hit a higher top speed than the TF
> cars, but I haven't seen or heard of a jet that is close to a TF car as far
> as ET is concerned, and ET is what counts. Now, I'm sure if someone built an
> unlimited jet car based on the newest jet technology, it might be a
> different story. I did find this page that only shows the records for a
> particular track.
>
> http://www.mirdrag.com/records.htm
>
> It shows a 3 tenths of a second difference in favor of the TF car. This ET
> difference at 300MPH equates to 132 feet! Not my imagination at all.
>
> Chris

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  #32  
Old July 22nd 05, 02:58 AM
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c wrote:
> Bill,
> Do you know the difference between a rocket car and a jet car?



Bill can be incredibly difficult to communicate with when you are
saying something that does not agree with what he thinks and he will
drive you nuts if you do not really, really know your stuff. I concede
that in general he knows more about the details of drag racing than I
do, because I have little interest in drag racing, it's just not my
sport. I'm sure it's a fine sport just like curling, jai alai, or
whatever. I just don't really care about those sports, or spectator
sports in general.

What I have figured out is that the current TF or Funny Cars are now
faster than the jets, but the jets had them beat until relatively
recent times, and that all the trhust based cars-jets and rockets-are
slower off the line and build their speed down the track. But that's
apples vs. oranges because you are comparing a bizarre specialized
propulsion system unique to fuel drag racing to a surplus engine sold
for scrap price that is 50+ years old. Any jet engine made by
Westinghouse is every bit of fifty years old, they quit making jet
engines after the Korean War. Now if the Navy released Ottofuel II
torpedo engines surplus and they started appearing drag cars maybe the
solid block Hemis would be obsoleted overnight! In principle jet or
rocket cars could beat even the current wheel driven cars with enough
thrust to weight ratios, but not in 50 feet. Turboshaft engine
dragsters, like the one Don Garlits built for exhibition, which use
wheel driven power might be another matter too. Like the jets they are
also apparently outside the rules.

But even if you spend hours doing the homework, line up the results,
and have it all notarized Bill will just change the subject if it isn't
what he likes to hear. So why bother?

  #33  
Old July 22nd 05, 03:05 AM
c
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Well, I started trying to figure out what you found so humorous, but then I
realized that you haven't figured that out yet either, so when you do, why
don't you share it with the newsgroup? I'm sure we're all here on pins and
needles waiting for this one.

Chris

"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> So put your money where you month is, it's only a half second away
> at National Hot Rod Association's
> http://www.nhra.com/stats/natrecord.html Until then you don't mind if I
> be Rolling On The Floor Laughing My A** Off! waiting for you, of course
> I guess we could always go twelve cylinders. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> c wrote:
> >
> > Bill,
> > Do you know the difference between a rocket car and a jet car? I did not

say
> > that the jets were banned, in fact I went to see them at the local track
> > just a few weeks ago. I do still remember going to watch my first drag

race
> > at the same track 28 years ago, and the ROCKET car that was there that

night
> > ran a 4.93 ET at 344 MPH. This was 28 years ago when the Top Fuel cars

still
> > had the short wings, they shifted gears, and they didn't have the lockup
> > clutches like they do now. Also thousands fewer ponies too. I can't say

what
> > the TF cars were running back then, but I do know that the 4 second

barrier
> > was not broken until Eddie Hill did it the week after the US Nationals

in
> > 1988. He broke the 4 second barrier at the Texas Motorplex running a

4.93ET
> > if my memory serves me correctly. I was at Indy that year, and Gene Snow

and
> > I believe Joe Amato were in the finals. Snow had run a 5.002 in the semi
> > finals, and said he would get the 4 in the final, but his throttle

linkage
> > broke right after he launched. Anyway, my point here is that the rocket

cars
> > had got so fast, and I believe I remember hearing about a run that was

over
> > 400MPH and in the very low 4 second range, but that I am not sure of. I
> > think that was when all of the sanctioning bodies started banning the
> > rockets. Also, the Jets do sometimes hit a higher top speed than the TF
> > cars, but I haven't seen or heard of a jet that is close to a TF car as

far
> > as ET is concerned, and ET is what counts. Now, I'm sure if someone

built an
> > unlimited jet car based on the newest jet technology, it might be a
> > different story. I did find this page that only shows the records for a
> > particular track.
> >
> > http://www.mirdrag.com/records.htm
> >
> > It shows a 3 tenths of a second difference in favor of the TF car. This

ET
> > difference at 300MPH equates to 132 feet! Not my imagination at all.
> >
> > Chris



  #34  
Old July 22nd 05, 03:10 AM
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> wrote in message
oups.com...
>

<snip>
>
> But even if you spend hours doing the homework, line up the results,
> and have it all notarized Bill will just change the subject if it isn't
> what he likes to hear. So why bother?
>


I have realized this long ago, but sometimes I forget. We all know what
happens after that.

Chris


  #35  
Old July 22nd 05, 03:17 AM
c
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I need to correct myself he

<snip>

Anyway, my point here is that the rocket cars
> had got so fast, and I believe I remember hearing about a run that was

over
> 400MPH and in the very low 4 second range, but that I am not sure of.


To quote this site:
http://www.eurodragster.com/news/sammy_miller_tribute/

Sammy's career was one of superlatives. He raced Funny Cars of the Fuel
variety before switching to rockets in 1976. His Spirit of '76 was the first
Rocket Funny Car and it very quickly smashed track records across the USA.
Sammy's next rocket FC was the first Vanishing Point, a Vega-bodied car in
which he recorded the first ever three-second pass in Florida in 1979, and
in which he first broke the 300 mph barrier in Europe, at Santa Pod in July
of the same year. A number of Vanishing Point FCs, the Oxygen Rocket
Dragster, and a Jet Dragster followed, all of which still hold ET and speed
records. He also set a world ice speed record when he put skis on the Oxygen
dragster and recorded 247 mph at Lake George. Sammy also arranged the first
ever rocket races, which were against Al Eierdam and which were also
contested at Santa Pod.

In 1984 Sammy recorded a pass of 3.58 at Santa Pod Raceway which still
stands as the absolute ET record anywhere on the planet.



Chris


  #36  
Old July 22nd 05, 03:30 AM
L.W.(ßill) Hughes III
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Whatever, just don't try and tell me a jet is faster than a top
fuel car in the quarter mile. Period!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

wrote:
>
> Bill can be incredibly difficult to communicate with when you are
> saying something that does not agree with what he thinks and he will
> drive you nuts if you do not really, really know your stuff. I concede
> that in general he knows more about the details of drag racing than I
> do, because I have little interest in drag racing, it's just not my
> sport. I'm sure it's a fine sport just like curling, jai alai, or
> whatever. I just don't really care about those sports, or spectator
> sports in general.
>
> What I have figured out is that the current TF or Funny Cars are now
> faster than the jets, but the jets had them beat until relatively
> recent times, and that all the trhust based cars-jets and rockets-are
> slower off the line and build their speed down the track. But that's
> apples vs. oranges because you are comparing a bizarre specialized
> propulsion system unique to fuel drag racing to a surplus engine sold
> for scrap price that is 50+ years old. Any jet engine made by
> Westinghouse is every bit of fifty years old, they quit making jet
> engines after the Korean War. Now if the Navy released Ottofuel II
> torpedo engines surplus and they started appearing drag cars maybe the
> solid block Hemis would be obsoleted overnight! In principle jet or
> rocket cars could beat even the current wheel driven cars with enough
> thrust to weight ratios, but not in 50 feet. Turboshaft engine
> dragsters, like the one Don Garlits built for exhibition, which use
> wheel driven power might be another matter too. Like the jets they are
> also apparently outside the rules.
>
> But even if you spend hours doing the homework, line up the results,
> and have it all notarized Bill will just change the subject if it isn't
> what he likes to hear. So why bother?

  #37  
Old July 22nd 05, 03:33 AM
L.W.(ßill) Hughes III
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Just don't try and tell me a jet is faster than a top fuel car in
the quarter mile. Period!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

c wrote:
>
> I have realized this long ago, but sometimes I forget. We all know what
> happens after that.
>
> Chris

  #38  
Old July 22nd 05, 03:35 AM
c
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HAHAHA Bill, I was saying that the TF cars are faster!!!! I think you need
to read a little better! FFS!

Chris

"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> Just don't try and tell me a jet is faster than a top fuel car in
> the quarter mile. Period!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> c wrote:
> >
> > I have realized this long ago, but sometimes I forget. We all know what
> > happens after that.
> >
> > Chris



  #39  
Old July 22nd 05, 03:57 AM
L.W.(ßill) Hughes III
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Me thinks Sammy's life was highly exaggerated. The 3.54 "pass" was
supposed to be at: http://www.santapod.co.uk/ Like where is this track
record???????? Jets don't instantly accelerate, not even in your dreams.
Watch the military's best.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

c wrote:
>
> I need to correct myself he
>
> <snip>
>
> Anyway, my point here is that the rocket cars
> > had got so fast, and I believe I remember hearing about a run that was

> over
> > 400MPH and in the very low 4 second range, but that I am not sure of.

>
> To quote this site:
> http://www.eurodragster.com/news/sammy_miller_tribute/
>
> Sammy's career was one of superlatives. He raced Funny Cars of the Fuel
> variety before switching to rockets in 1976. His Spirit of '76 was the first
> Rocket Funny Car and it very quickly smashed track records across the USA.
> Sammy's next rocket FC was the first Vanishing Point, a Vega-bodied car in
> which he recorded the first ever three-second pass in Florida in 1979, and
> in which he first broke the 300 mph barrier in Europe, at Santa Pod in July
> of the same year. A number of Vanishing Point FCs, the Oxygen Rocket
> Dragster, and a Jet Dragster followed, all of which still hold ET and speed
> records. He also set a world ice speed record when he put skis on the Oxygen
> dragster and recorded 247 mph at Lake George. Sammy also arranged the first
> ever rocket races, which were against Al Eierdam and which were also
> contested at Santa Pod.
>
> In 1984 Sammy recorded a pass of 3.58 at Santa Pod Raceway which still
> stands as the absolute ET record anywhere on the planet.
>
> Chris

  #40  
Old July 22nd 05, 04:06 AM
L.W.(ßill) Hughes III
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"Now, I'm sure if someone built an unlimited jet car based on the
newest jet technology, it might be a different story" BULLSH*TE!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

c wrote:
>
> HAHAHA Bill, I was saying that the TF cars are faster!!!! I think you need
> to read a little better! FFS!
>
> Chris

 




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