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Red, Yellow, Green... And Now Blue!
In article >, Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...ck=1&cset=true > "The intersections we've selected are those that are most congested > during peak traffic times, which makes drivers more prone to violate > the law," said Lt. Roy Jones. "We get a rising number of [such] > complaints when school is back in session." Translation: The intersection has various visibility and throughput issues and the city has decided that it can profit from those problems. |
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Red, Yellow, Green... And Now Blue!
"Brent P" > wrote in message ... > In article >, Scott en Aztlán > wrote: >> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...ck=1&cset=true > >> "The intersections we've selected are those that are most congested >> during peak traffic times, which makes drivers more prone to violate >> the law," said Lt. Roy Jones. "We get a rising number of [such] >> complaints when school is back in session." > > Translation: The intersection has various visibility and throughput > issues and the city has decided that it can profit from those problems. Welcome to LA, of COURSE we have "throughput issues." We call it "traffic" around here. I'm not sure why you have a problem with HUMAN enforcement of red light runners. I'm all for it. There are few more dangerous on roads than RLRers. brink |
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Red, Yellow, Green... And Now Blue!
In article >, brink wrote:
> > "Brent P" > wrote in message > ... >> In article >, Scott en Aztlán >> wrote: >>> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...ck=1&cset=true >> >>> "The intersections we've selected are those that are most congested >>> during peak traffic times, which makes drivers more prone to violate >>> the law," said Lt. Roy Jones. "We get a rising number of [such] >>> complaints when school is back in session." >> >> Translation: The intersection has various visibility and throughput >> issues and the city has decided that it can profit from those problems. > > Welcome to LA, of COURSE we have "throughput issues." We call it "traffic" > around here. > > I'm not sure why you have a problem with HUMAN enforcement of red light > runners. I'm all for it. There are few more dangerous on roads than > RLRers. I would like to see problems solved rather than profiting from them. If I get hit by a red light runner at a flawed intersection, the fact a cop saw it or a picture was taken of it, isn't going to make me any less hurt. However fixing the flaw so I am never hit will. |
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Red, Yellow, Green... And Now Blue!
"Brent P" > wrote in message . .. > In article >, brink wrote: >> >> "Brent P" > wrote in message >> ... >>> In article >, Scott en Aztlán >>> wrote: >>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...ck=1&cset=true >>> >>>> "The intersections we've selected are those that are most congested >>>> during peak traffic times, which makes drivers more prone to violate >>>> the law," said Lt. Roy Jones. "We get a rising number of [such] >>>> complaints when school is back in session." >>> >>> Translation: The intersection has various visibility and throughput >>> issues and the city has decided that it can profit from those problems. >> >> Welcome to LA, of COURSE we have "throughput issues." We call it >> "traffic" >> around here. >> >> I'm not sure why you have a problem with HUMAN enforcement of red light >> runners. I'm all for it. There are few more dangerous on roads than >> RLRers. > > I would like to see problems solved rather than profiting from them. > > If I get hit by a red light runner at a flawed intersection, the fact a > cop saw it or a picture was taken of it, isn't going to make me any less > hurt. However fixing the flaw so I am never hit will. I think the "flaw" in intersections when it comes to most RLRers is that the light is red and they don't want to stop. The only thing that would "solve" that problem is to make it not red for that driver. Of course, that makes it red for another driver, doesn't it? I agree that it would be nice to redesign roads to minimize traffic delays and minimize poor design, but you and I both know how expensive, unwieldy, and difficult that is. It's an imperfect system. Doesn't justify RLRers at all. brink |
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Red, Yellow, Green... And Now Blue!
In article >, brink wrote:
>> If I get hit by a red light runner at a flawed intersection, the fact a >> cop saw it or a picture was taken of it, isn't going to make me any less >> hurt. However fixing the flaw so I am never hit will. > I think the "flaw" in intersections when it comes to most RLRers is that the > light is red and they don't want to stop. The only thing that would "solve" > that problem is to make it not red for that driver. Of course, that makes > it red for another driver, doesn't it? 99.9% of the intentional red light running I see is congalining and it doesn't take any special gizmos to enforce, that is if cops actually cared about it and didn't do it themselves. > I agree that it would be nice to redesign roads to minimize traffic delays > and minimize poor design, but you and I both know how expensive, unwieldy, > and difficult that is. It's an imperfect system. Doesn't justify RLRers at > all. Badly placed signal faces, bad light timing, etc and so forth can all lead to red light running. The fact that the 'punish the *******s' mentality doesn't recognize a defect doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There is one signal light I nearly ran a red on in chicago because it's in the middle of the bridge and the signal face is mounted so high that it's above the top of the windshield on the approach. It's not visible to me unless I scrunch down in my seat and look up. There was the one where I got the ticket for not stopping completely for a right on red where signal faces for multiple directions are visible. I saw a green signal and proceeded with my usual care and I knew the cop was there on top of it all. But then again, it seems neither the cops nor the courts nor most of the population understands or cares about proper engineering or the laws on the books requiring it. IL law requires the MUTCD be followed, the court doesn't care about government following the law. |
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Red, Yellow, Green... And Now Blue!
Brent P wrote: <brevity snip/groups adjusted>
> If I get hit by a red light runner at a flawed intersection, the fact a > cop saw it or a picture was taken of it, isn't going to make me any less > hurt. However fixing the flaw so I am never hit will. Spurious conclusion. Fixing the "flaw" will not ensure you are never hit. You know people can't drive for ****. Slow down and pay attention, that's your best bet. ----- - gpsman |
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Red, Yellow, Green... And Now Blue!
In article >,
Brent P > wrote: >99.9% of the intentional red light running I see is congalining and it >doesn't take any special gizmos to enforce, that is if cops actually >cared about it and didn't do it themselves. The snitch lights do makes it easier for an officer on the destination side of the intersection to tell if someone entered the intersection after the light turned red. So an officer in such a position can catch the red light runner relatively easily and safely, unlike an officer behind the red light runner who has to then also run the red light (increasing the risk of a crash, even if lights and sirens are on) to catch the red light runner. >Badly placed signal faces, bad light timing, etc and so forth can all >lead to red light running. The fact that the 'punish the *******s' >mentality doesn't recognize a defect doesn't mean it doesn't exist. On the other hand, I have seen lots of red light running where none of these defects exist. Just because some areas do have poorly designed intersections or lights, or scandalous red light traps (whether or not cameras are involved) does not mean that all red light running is due to such problems. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Timothy J. Lee Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome. No warranty of any kind is provided with this message. |
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Red, Yellow, Green... And Now Blue!
In article >,
Ashton Crusher > wrote: >Which is very similar to the studies showing increasing the yellow >interval by a second or so greatly reduces red light accidents but >cities WON"T do it because it ruins their photo red light radar >justification. Increasing the yellow time also takes away from the total amount of green time in the intersection, resulting in more traffic congestion. A traffic department that does not intend to set the yellow time scandalously low still has the pressure to maximize the green time at heavily used intersections to keep traffic flowing -- but it is these heavily used intersections where commuters stuck in traffic may be more prone to taking extra risks with the lights and running red lights more often. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Timothy J. Lee Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome. No warranty of any kind is provided with this message. |
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Red, Yellow, Green... And Now Blue!
In article >, Timothy J. Lee wrote:
> In article >, > Brent P > wrote: >>99.9% of the intentional red light running I see is congalining and it >>doesn't take any special gizmos to enforce, that is if cops actually >>cared about it and didn't do it themselves. > The snitch lights do makes it easier for an officer on the destination > side of the intersection to tell if someone entered the intersection > after the light turned red. So an officer in such a position can catch > the red light runner relatively easily and safely, unlike an officer > behind the red light runner who has to then also run the red light > (increasing the risk of a crash, even if lights and sirens are on) > to catch the red light runner. No matter what side of the intersection he sits on, someone might run the red light such that he would have to go through the red to give chase. >>Badly placed signal faces, bad light timing, etc and so forth can all >>lead to red light running. The fact that the 'punish the *******s' >>mentality doesn't recognize a defect doesn't mean it doesn't exist. > On the other hand, I have seen lots of red light running where none > of these defects exist. Just because some areas do have poorly designed > intersections or lights, or scandalous red light traps (whether or not > cameras are involved) does not mean that all red light running is due > to such problems. I did not say it doesn't, however most of it is conga-lining and not only do cops rarely ticket it, they do it themselves. |
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