More On Left Lane Driving

In a previous posting, "Bernard Farquart"
> had the audacity to say:

:I have a problem
:with you sitting in the right lane, at 7 over, like it
^^^^^
I'd surely hope not!

Amazing how much one slips up when in a hurry, eh? :}

--
E.R. aka SJG aka Ricardo
present location: vancouver bc canada
refugee from the european union's evil bureaucracy

In a previous posting, "Bernard Farquart"
> had the audacity to say:

:I have a problem
:with you sitting in the right lane, at 7 over, like it
^^^^^
I'd surely hope not!

Amazing how much one slips up when in a hurry, eh? :}

--
E.R. aka SJG aka Ricardo
present location: vancouver bc canada
refugee from the european union's evil bureaucracy

In article >, Dave Head wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:08:18 GMT, (Brent P)
> wrote:
>
>>In article >, Dave Head wrote:
>>> OK, say I stay right and the typical duckling comes up and sits on my left rear
>>> at 62 mph. Now _he's_ an LLB that people _can't_ get around and I'm an
>>> _enabler_ for not accelerating or braking.
>>
>>
>>Um no. an _enabler_ is a person who stops/slows all the traffic behind
>>him by letting a shoulder passer or some other MFFY type in.
>
> An enabler is someone who allows a dangerous situation to exist when they could
> do something about it. That would be someone in the right lane, allowing some
> a-hole to pace him for mile after mile, or worse, allowing him to catch the
> next slower car ahead, predictably slowing down, and creating at least a 3-car
> clump.

That's something different, not an enabler.

>>> Then we both catch a slower car, I get slowed down to 58 mph or whatever, and
>>> you get 2 cars in the right lane plus the duckling doing the LLB thing. So, if
>>> I stay in the right lane, things just get worse for everybody.

>>> At least when I drive left, the duckling is scraped off periodically by the
>>> slower car in the right lane, and other people can pass me just fine... on the
>>> right.

>>And if you come across the slower car in the left lane it's even WORSE.

> No, I pass 'em on the right, in a heartbeat. With any luck, the duckling who
> is tailgating will decide to tailgate the other guy in a left lane, and I'll be
> rid of him.

> And, there's so many more slower cars in the right lane, the situation where
> there's a right lane duckling when I catch someone slower in the left lane is a
> rare occurrence. When I see that coming up, I generally slow down gradually a
> few mph, then nail the gas and get back to my 7 over the limit much quicker
> than the duckling, so then I can get right and pass the other guy in the left
> lane without cutting off the duckling either.

Not if somebody is there. Many times when I need to pass somebody like
you, he comes across an even SLOWER LLB, and the right lane has a couple
people who are where they belong making passing on the right impossible.

How do you deal with this?

----------------------------------------------------------------------->
++] [YOU] [LLB]
----------------------------------------------------------------------->
+] [+++] [===] [SEMI-TRAILER] [===]
----------------------------------------------------------------------->
[+++] [===] [===] [SEMI-TRAILER]
----------------------------------------------------------------------->

Assume SL = 55mph

Right lane [===] and [SEMI-TRAILER] are doing 60mph
Right lane [===] and [SEMI-TRAILER] are doing 66mph
[YOU] are doing 62 mph. The LLB is doing 60mph.
[+++] and others coming up to this clog are doing 68mph or more.

Tell me, how are you improving safety and road flow here?
You are about to be cut off by the [+++] your to right BTW.

You're just another LLB who thinks he's going 'fast enough'.

>>> Fact is, there's gonna be an LLB one way or the other, most of the time. If I
>>> stay in the right lane, you won't be able to get around the LLB in the left
>>> lane. If _I_ am in the left lane, you _will_ be able to get around because the
>>> right lane will be clear, most of the time.

>>You are just looking for excuses for driving badly because so many others
>>do. I can think of many more in the same vein, still doesn't make them
>>right.

> It just makes me safer. I know this because I have fewer close calls, and also
> lower exposure to traffic tickets.

Typical me-first-****-you. Your convience, nothing more. **** everyone
else, **** the the road system, you have to be comfortable. Multiply you
a few thousand times and that's why we have traffic jams much worse and
longer than they need to be.

In article >, Dave Head wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:08:18 GMT, (Brent P)
> wrote:
>
>>In article >, Dave Head wrote:
>>> OK, say I stay right and the typical duckling comes up and sits on my left rear
>>> at 62 mph. Now _he's_ an LLB that people _can't_ get around and I'm an
>>> _enabler_ for not accelerating or braking.
>>
>>
>>Um no. an _enabler_ is a person who stops/slows all the traffic behind
>>him by letting a shoulder passer or some other MFFY type in.
>
> An enabler is someone who allows a dangerous situation to exist when they could
> do something about it. That would be someone in the right lane, allowing some
> a-hole to pace him for mile after mile, or worse, allowing him to catch the
> next slower car ahead, predictably slowing down, and creating at least a 3-car
> clump.

That's something different, not an enabler.

>>> Then we both catch a slower car, I get slowed down to 58 mph or whatever, and
>>> you get 2 cars in the right lane plus the duckling doing the LLB thing. So, if
>>> I stay in the right lane, things just get worse for everybody.

>>> At least when I drive left, the duckling is scraped off periodically by the
>>> slower car in the right lane, and other people can pass me just fine... on the
>>> right.

>>And if you come across the slower car in the left lane it's even WORSE.

> No, I pass 'em on the right, in a heartbeat. With any luck, the duckling who
> is tailgating will decide to tailgate the other guy in a left lane, and I'll be
> rid of him.

> And, there's so many more slower cars in the right lane, the situation where
> there's a right lane duckling when I catch someone slower in the left lane is a
> rare occurrence. When I see that coming up, I generally slow down gradually a
> few mph, then nail the gas and get back to my 7 over the limit much quicker
> than the duckling, so then I can get right and pass the other guy in the left
> lane without cutting off the duckling either.

Not if somebody is there. Many times when I need to pass somebody like
you, he comes across an even SLOWER LLB, and the right lane has a couple
people who are where they belong making passing on the right impossible.

How do you deal with this?

----------------------------------------------------------------------->
++] [YOU] [LLB]
----------------------------------------------------------------------->
+] [+++] [===] [SEMI-TRAILER] [===]
----------------------------------------------------------------------->
[+++] [===] [===] [SEMI-TRAILER]
----------------------------------------------------------------------->

Assume SL = 55mph

Right lane [===] and [SEMI-TRAILER] are doing 60mph
Right lane [===] and [SEMI-TRAILER] are doing 66mph
[YOU] are doing 62 mph. The LLB is doing 60mph.
[+++] and others coming up to this clog are doing 68mph or more.

Tell me, how are you improving safety and road flow here?
You are about to be cut off by the [+++] your to right BTW.

You're just another LLB who thinks he's going 'fast enough'.

>>> Fact is, there's gonna be an LLB one way or the other, most of the time. If I
>>> stay in the right lane, you won't be able to get around the LLB in the left
>>> lane. If _I_ am in the left lane, you _will_ be able to get around because the
>>> right lane will be clear, most of the time.

>>You are just looking for excuses for driving badly because so many others
>>do. I can think of many more in the same vein, still doesn't make them
>>right.

> It just makes me safer. I know this because I have fewer close calls, and also
> lower exposure to traffic tickets.

Typical me-first-****-you. Your convience, nothing more. **** everyone
else, **** the the road system, you have to be comfortable. Multiply you
a few thousand times and that's why we have traffic jams much worse and
longer than they need to be.

"E.R." > wrote in message
...
> In a previous posting, "Bernard Farquart"
> > had the audacity to say:
>
> :I have a problem
> :with you sitting in the right lane, at 7 over, like it
> ^^^^^
> I'd surely hope not!
>
> Amazing how much one slips up when in a hurry, eh? :}
>
Whoops, when is spell-check going to correct my
writing to be what I "meant to write" ?

Bernard

"E.R." > wrote in message
...
> In a previous posting, "Bernard Farquart"
> > had the audacity to say:
>
> :I have a problem
> :with you sitting in the right lane, at 7 over, like it
> ^^^^^
> I'd surely hope not!
>
> Amazing how much one slips up when in a hurry, eh? :}
>
Whoops, when is spell-check going to correct my
writing to be what I "meant to write" ?

Bernard

In a previous posting, Scott en Aztlán
> had the audacity to say:

:>Using a rabbit is an excellent, effective and highly recommended
:>technique either with or without a RD.
:
:Just be sure you watch your six.

Oh, always, Your Excellency! But if one manages to find a 100+
mph rabbit, then the rear risk is pretty low anyway.

--
E.R. aka SJG aka Ricardo
present location: vancouver bc canada
refugee from the european union's evil bureaucracy

In a previous posting, Scott en Aztlán
> had the audacity to say:

:>Using a rabbit is an excellent, effective and highly recommended
:>technique either with or without a RD.
:
:Just be sure you watch your six.

Oh, always, Your Excellency! But if one manages to find a 100+
mph rabbit, then the rear risk is pretty low anyway.

--
E.R. aka SJG aka Ricardo
present location: vancouver bc canada
refugee from the european union's evil bureaucracy

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 22:38:51 GMT, "Bernard Farquart"
> wrote:

>
>"Dave Head" > wrote in message
.. .
>>>How is someone elses speed any problem for you?
>>
>> Why, you _know_ they are gonna fly off the road and disintigrate if the
>> exceed
>> the speed limit, dontcha? Just ask Judy or Carl.
>>
>> I'm just pointing out the hypocracy of someone who is already breaking the
>> law
>> complaining about someone else breaking the law.
>
>If you read carefully, I think you will find the objections
>are based more on courtesy, and predictabilaty, rather than
>legality.

I know, but then they shouldn't cite how "illegal" I am. Hell, we're all
illegal on the road.

>>>If you are driving propperly, and keeping right, they have
>>>no effect on you by passing you at whatever speed they are
>>>going.
>>
>> Sure they do - because when they get beside me, a really goodly number
>> will
>> decide to "pass" me at exactly my speed. That requires me to do things
>> that
>> will get me a ticket, or noticed or both. Not happenin'. They want to
>> drive
>> that nutty, they can do it on my right side, where they won't be able to
>> stay
>> for more than a few minutes.
>
>OK, since someone else *may* be an idiot,
>you have to act like one, as well?

As I keep saying, I'm looking out for number 1. Too damn many people attempt
to create a dangerous situation for me. Dangerous to them, dangerous to me,
dangerous to everybody. Nobody should be driving close to anybody else for any
extended time. And I'm just preventing it, that's all.

>>>You , on the other hand, are forcing people to slow
>>>down,
>>
>> Hey, I don't have to slow down when encountering someone else in the left
>> lane,
>> and neither do that.
>>
>>>wait to see if you will move over
>>
>> I don't wait. They don't have to either
>>
>>> (as could reasonably
>>>be expected)
>>
>> No, its not reasonable. If they use the horn or a headlight flash, then
>> it
>> would e reasonable to expect someone to get over immediately. But if I
>> observe
>> a car that's been driving in the left lane for the last 2 minutes as I
>> approach, I don't reasonably expect them to do anything but continue
>> driving in
>> the left lane.
>
>yes, it is reasonable to expect someone to keep right
>while not passing, if you define reasonable as what
>most people would expect. Shall we take a poll?

Naw. My vote to keep my immediate vicinity free of the hazards of having some
prick begin pacing my speed, and my avoidance of bleeding all over the highway,
ovverides their votes anyway. Haven't found anyone that wants to do that
bleeding for me. Therefore, I'm just not giving anyone much of a chance to set
this up.

>>>then proceed around you on the right,
>>
>> Like they would do in the 1st place if they had any "street smarts".
>>
>> Tell you what - you proceed down 200 miles of road in Virginia waiting
>> behind
>> every car in the left lane for them to move over, and I'll pass 'em on the
>> right immediately. I'll see you at the other end, but I will have already
>> finished dinner by the time you get there.
>
>I don't have such a problem with you passing
>on the right is someone won't get over, I have a problem
>with you sitting in the right lane, at 7 over, like it
>is the smartest thing to do.

Its the best thing to do for me.

>It makes you an obstacle

I'm an obstacle in any lane if I'm slower than someone else who wants to go
faster. Obstacle is a matter of speed.

>but since you are not going to figure that out, I see no
>reason to keep telling you what is plain to everyone else.

I drove into Fredericksburg last night, and passed 3 and was passed by 1 at SL
+ 7. One I caught was in the left lane. No big deal, I passed him on the
right. The fellow that caught me also passed me on the right. No big deal.
Nobody cares, at least not if they're not idealists with anacronistic thinking,
trying to obey laws that aren't enforced and which 99% of the remainder of the
driving public doesn't care about.

Dave Head

>
>Bernard
>

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 22:38:51 GMT, "Bernard Farquart"
> wrote:

>
>"Dave Head" > wrote in message
.. .
>>>How is someone elses speed any problem for you?
>>
>> Why, you _know_ they are gonna fly off the road and disintigrate if the
>> exceed
>> the speed limit, dontcha? Just ask Judy or Carl.
>>
>> I'm just pointing out the hypocracy of someone who is already breaking the
>> law
>> complaining about someone else breaking the law.
>
>If you read carefully, I think you will find the objections
>are based more on courtesy, and predictabilaty, rather than
>legality.

I know, but then they shouldn't cite how "illegal" I am. Hell, we're all
illegal on the road.

>>>If you are driving propperly, and keeping right, they have
>>>no effect on you by passing you at whatever speed they are
>>>going.
>>
>> Sure they do - because when they get beside me, a really goodly number
>> will
>> decide to "pass" me at exactly my speed. That requires me to do things
>> that
>> will get me a ticket, or noticed or both. Not happenin'. They want to
>> drive
>> that nutty, they can do it on my right side, where they won't be able to
>> stay
>> for more than a few minutes.
>
>OK, since someone else *may* be an idiot,
>you have to act like one, as well?

As I keep saying, I'm looking out for number 1. Too damn many people attempt
to create a dangerous situation for me. Dangerous to them, dangerous to me,
dangerous to everybody. Nobody should be driving close to anybody else for any
extended time. And I'm just preventing it, that's all.

>>>You , on the other hand, are forcing people to slow
>>>down,
>>
>> Hey, I don't have to slow down when encountering someone else in the left
>> lane,
>> and neither do that.
>>
>>>wait to see if you will move over
>>
>> I don't wait. They don't have to either
>>
>>> (as could reasonably
>>>be expected)
>>
>> No, its not reasonable. If they use the horn or a headlight flash, then
>> it
>> would e reasonable to expect someone to get over immediately. But if I
>> observe
>> a car that's been driving in the left lane for the last 2 minutes as I
>> approach, I don't reasonably expect them to do anything but continue
>> driving in
>> the left lane.
>
>yes, it is reasonable to expect someone to keep right
>while not passing, if you define reasonable as what
>most people would expect. Shall we take a poll?

Naw. My vote to keep my immediate vicinity free of the hazards of having some
prick begin pacing my speed, and my avoidance of bleeding all over the highway,
ovverides their votes anyway. Haven't found anyone that wants to do that
bleeding for me. Therefore, I'm just not giving anyone much of a chance to set
this up.

>>>then proceed around you on the right,
>>
>> Like they would do in the 1st place if they had any "street smarts".
>>
>> Tell you what - you proceed down 200 miles of road in Virginia waiting
>> behind
>> every car in the left lane for them to move over, and I'll pass 'em on the
>> right immediately. I'll see you at the other end, but I will have already
>> finished dinner by the time you get there.
>
>I don't have such a problem with you passing
>on the right is someone won't get over, I have a problem
>with you sitting in the right lane, at 7 over, like it
>is the smartest thing to do.

Its the best thing to do for me.

>It makes you an obstacle

I'm an obstacle in any lane if I'm slower than someone else who wants to go
faster. Obstacle is a matter of speed.

>but since you are not going to figure that out, I see no
>reason to keep telling you what is plain to everyone else.

I drove into Fredericksburg last night, and passed 3 and was passed by 1 at SL
+ 7. One I caught was in the left lane. No big deal, I passed him on the
right. The fellow that caught me also passed me on the right. No big deal.
Nobody cares, at least not if they're not idealists with anacronistic thinking,
trying to obey laws that aren't enforced and which 99% of the remainder of the
driving public doesn't care about.

Dave Head

>
>Bernard
>