NJ Ticket for driving on a public or private property

Larry Jhonson wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> I need your advise on the ticket that I received recently. I was on
my
> way to work in the morning rush hour and the traffic was backed up so
> badly on RT130.
> It was almost talking 10 mins to cross each traffic light, and since
> it was getting late to work I pulled into a drive way of a store on
> the right and exited from the back of that store(there by avoided the
> signal ahead which could've taken another 5 mins) and there was a
Cop,
> who was hiding there pulled me over as soon as I exited and handed me
> the ticket.
>
> The citation shows that
> 39:4-66.2 Driving on public or private property to avoid a traffic
> sign or signal

He assumes you were avoiding traffic. Maybe you were going to go
into the store, then changed your mind. He is not a mind reader.
I would get a jury trial.
=

>
> My question is, can I fight this ticket? If I so, what are the
chances
> that I can win. If not, can I plead guilty by paying the fine and ask
> the Judge/Prosecutor to not assess any points to my driving record? I
> already have 2 points for speeding in PA ( received in April 2004)
and
> didn't receive any Motor vehicle voilations in New Jersey ever.
>
> I greatly appreciate if someone can point what chances do I have.
>
> Many thanks in advance.

> wrote in message
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> He assumes you were avoiding traffic. Maybe you were going to go
> into the store, then changed your mind. He is not a mind reader.
> I would get a jury trial.

"Well, Your Honor, I was going to stop at the <place of business> when I
realized I forgot <*> and exited the business parking lot to return home
to <**>. "

<*>: ..when I realized I forgot: (select one)
My: cellphone, cash, credit cards, rewards card for store, briefcase
To: let the dog out, feed the dog, lock my front door...

<**>: The action to be taken to rectify the situation

> wrote in message
ups.com...


> He assumes you were avoiding traffic. Maybe you were going to go
> into the store, then changed your mind. He is not a mind reader.
> I would get a jury trial.

"Well, Your Honor, I was going to stop at the <place of business> when I
realized I forgot <*> and exited the business parking lot to return home
to <**>. "

<*>: ..when I realized I forgot: (select one)
My: cellphone, cash, credit cards, rewards card for store, briefcase
To: let the dog out, feed the dog, lock my front door...

<**>: The action to be taken to rectify the situation

Paul wrote:
>
> "Well, Your Honor, I was going to stop at the <place of business>
when I
> realized I forgot <*> and exited the business parking lot to return
home
> to <**>. "
>
> <*>: ..when I realized I forgot: (select one)
> My: cellphone, cash, credit cards, rewards card for store, briefcase
> To: let the dog out, feed the dog, lock my front door...
>
> <**>: The action to be taken to rectify the situation
-----

Whether the officer appears that day is probably a matter of logistics.
If he has other cases in which to testify, he'll probably show. If not,
he might not... depending on how serious the city is in enforcing that
particular offense and/or the number of officers needed on-duty that
day. Pray for a snow storm.

-> "I went to the court today (as mentioned on the ticket), prosecutor
first asked me if I am willing to plead guilty and pay the fine to
which I said, yes provided if that doesn't affect my driving record.
His answer was that, he cannot do that in the absence of Cop(who gave
me the ticket)..."

If you're attitude when you received the citation was congenial you
might get some consideration. Plead your case (honestly) [*if* you can
get a meeting with prosecutor and officer- doubtful] as much as
possible before trial.

Good luck.- gpsman

Paul wrote:
>
> "Well, Your Honor, I was going to stop at the <place of business>
when I
> realized I forgot <*> and exited the business parking lot to return
home
> to <**>. "
>
> <*>: ..when I realized I forgot: (select one)
> My: cellphone, cash, credit cards, rewards card for store, briefcase
> To: let the dog out, feed the dog, lock my front door...
>
> <**>: The action to be taken to rectify the situation
-----

Whether the officer appears that day is probably a matter of logistics.
If he has other cases in which to testify, he'll probably show. If not,
he might not... depending on how serious the city is in enforcing that
particular offense and/or the number of officers needed on-duty that
day. Pray for a snow storm.

-> "I went to the court today (as mentioned on the ticket), prosecutor
first asked me if I am willing to plead guilty and pay the fine to
which I said, yes provided if that doesn't affect my driving record.
His answer was that, he cannot do that in the absence of Cop(who gave
me the ticket)..."

If you're attitude when you received the citation was congenial you
might get some consideration. Plead your case (honestly) [*if* you can
get a meeting with prosecutor and officer- doubtful] as much as
possible before trial.

Good luck.- gpsman

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Larry Jhonson wrote:
>> Hello folks,
>>
>> I need your advise on the ticket that I received recently. I was on
> my
>> way to work in the morning rush hour and the traffic was backed up so
>> badly on RT130.
>> It was almost talking 10 mins to cross each traffic light, and since
>> it was getting late to work I pulled into a drive way of a store on
>> the right and exited from the back of that store(there by avoided the
>> signal ahead which could've taken another 5 mins) and there was a
> Cop,
>> who was hiding there pulled me over as soon as I exited and handed me
>> the ticket.
>>
>> The citation shows that
>> 39:4-66.2 Driving on public or private property to avoid a traffic
>> sign or signal
>
> He assumes you were avoiding traffic. Maybe you were going to go
> into the store, then changed your mind. He is not a mind reader.
> I would get a jury trial.
> =

He was obviously pretty good at reading minds since the OP clearly states
that he was doing exactly what the cop cited him for.

--
---
jaybird
---
I am not the cause of your problems.
My actions are the result of your actions.
Your life is not my fault.

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Larry Jhonson wrote:
>> Hello folks,
>>
>> I need your advise on the ticket that I received recently. I was on
> my
>> way to work in the morning rush hour and the traffic was backed up so
>> badly on RT130.
>> It was almost talking 10 mins to cross each traffic light, and since
>> it was getting late to work I pulled into a drive way of a store on
>> the right and exited from the back of that store(there by avoided the
>> signal ahead which could've taken another 5 mins) and there was a
> Cop,
>> who was hiding there pulled me over as soon as I exited and handed me
>> the ticket.
>>
>> The citation shows that
>> 39:4-66.2 Driving on public or private property to avoid a traffic
>> sign or signal
>
> He assumes you were avoiding traffic. Maybe you were going to go
> into the store, then changed your mind. He is not a mind reader.
> I would get a jury trial.
> =

He was obviously pretty good at reading minds since the OP clearly states
that he was doing exactly what the cop cited him for.

--
---
jaybird
---
I am not the cause of your problems.
My actions are the result of your actions.
Your life is not my fault.

"Paul" <Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend is a > wrote:

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
>
>> He assumes you were avoiding traffic. Maybe you were going to go
>> into the store, then changed your mind. He is not a mind reader.
>> I would get a jury trial.
>
>"Well, Your Honor, I was going to stop at the <place of business> when I
>realized I forgot <*> and exited the business parking lot to return home
>to <**>. "
>
><*>: ..when I realized I forgot: (select one)
>My: cellphone, cash, credit cards, rewards card for store, briefcase
>To: let the dog out, feed the dog, lock my front door...
>
><**>: The action to be taken to rectify the situation

Honesty is never a good policy for assholes.

"Paul" <Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend is a > wrote:

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
>
>> He assumes you were avoiding traffic. Maybe you were going to go
>> into the store, then changed your mind. He is not a mind reader.
>> I would get a jury trial.
>
>"Well, Your Honor, I was going to stop at the <place of business> when I
>realized I forgot <*> and exited the business parking lot to return home
>to <**>. "
>
><*>: ..when I realized I forgot: (select one)
>My: cellphone, cash, credit cards, rewards card for store, briefcase
>To: let the dog out, feed the dog, lock my front door...
>
><**>: The action to be taken to rectify the situation

Honesty is never a good policy for assholes.

Alex Rodriguez wrote:
> In article > ,
> says...
>
> >I heard that there are chances that Cop may not show up for trial,
but
> >what if he does show up? Could there be a possibility that Cop would
> >agree to what I propose? Meaning by paying the fine (I am even ready
> >to pay the double fine, upto $150) and not impose any points to my
> >Driving record.
>
> There is a possibility the cop won't show. What you would have to do
is
> see if he will change the charge to something that does not carry
points.
> Maybe an equipment violation?

More likely something related to what actually happened. I have
personally (for a client) pleaded such a charge down to a 'parking on
the sidewalk' violation. That way, the fine/forfeiture can be pretty
hefty, but there are no points assessed for most, if not all, parking
violations. All you need to do is stipulate that you stopped (if only
for an instant) on the sidewalk. If there are no sidewalks, maybe
'blocking a driveway' will work.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; done that)