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Steering wheel audio controls
"Pszemol" > wrote in
: > "Tegger" > wrote in message > ... >>> Thanks. I was hoping I have some blown fuse or something... >>> But if this is once again cutting corners, than I have to deal with >>> it. >> >> It's called keeping the cost down. There's always intense pressure in >> the low and mid-priced markets to cut costs (which keeps the price >> down). Add to that the huge mandated costs of emissions and safety, >> and something's got to give. > > That would be understandable in the lowest priced trims, but I have > got EX-L with leather - it is really hard to understand that 5 bulbs > and one more wire in the harness would be so much savings... It's still a Honda and not a Mercedes. It does not sell for Mercedes money. Plus, if there were not these apparent cheap-outs, there would be no reason to upgrade to, say, an Acura, would there? Honda has to try to gently nudge buyers upstairs, no? -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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I have 08 Ridgeline RTL. Steering wheel is lighted and it is convenient.
Don't know why Honda (and Toyota?) didn't do this previously. "Tegger" > wrote in message ... "Pszemol" > wrote in : > "Tegger" > wrote in message > ... >>> Thanks. I was hoping I have some blown fuse or something... >>> But if this is once again cutting corners, than I have to deal with >>> it. >> >> It's called keeping the cost down. There's always intense pressure in >> the low and mid-priced markets to cut costs (which keeps the price >> down). Add to that the huge mandated costs of emissions and safety, >> and something's got to give. > > That would be understandable in the lowest priced trims, but I have > got EX-L with leather - it is really hard to understand that 5 bulbs > and one more wire in the harness would be so much savings... It's still a Honda and not a Mercedes. It does not sell for Mercedes money. Plus, if there were not these apparent cheap-outs, there would be no reason to upgrade to, say, an Acura, would there? Honda has to try to gently nudge buyers upstairs, no? -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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We also have an '04 EX-L. The steering whell controls are not Backlit. I
believe on an '05 they are. Scott -- Message posted using http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/....makers.honda/ More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html |
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Thus spake "Pszemol" > :
>"ACAR" > wrote in message ... >> On Sep 25, 7:28 pm, Brian Smith > wrote: >>> Reggie Dunlop wrote: >>> >>> > You must be an academician and/or a Democrat-- avoiding answering the >>> > question that was asked while managing to inject some holier than thou, >>> > condescending piety that overall is a put-down ;-) >>> >>> Do you have lights in your light switches in your home? If not >>> how do >>> you locate them when you need to turn the lights on in a room when it's >>> dark? >> >> Actually, yes, my light switches are lit. You can have the same after >> a trip to Home Depot/Lowes. Right next to the illuminated light >> switches you'll find an array of night lights. I wonder why they sell >> those to families without young kids? >> >> Do you ever lend your car to a friend? Ever drive someone else's car? >> Ever switch cars with your wife? Maybe there's a reason why other >> manufacturers manage to illuminate these controls. Face it, Honda is >> just cutting corners. Like their inability to equip the Accord EX with >> a power passenger seat. > >Another example is the windshield washer fluid bottle. >Only 2.6 quarts of fluid in the US version. More than a gallon in Canadian >version. >Canadian version also has a low fluid level indicator (the bottle has a >float switch). >How much did then save in US version doing this ? $10 ? Maybe $50? What??? $10???? Bottle: maybe $1 difference, if THAT much. Float switch. Onesie pricing is around $.80. Add almost $.10 worth of wiring. The computer and software are all there. Another $.10 for wires to the dash, maybe $.18 for an LED. NRE per vehicle probably ran under $1. |
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Dillon Pyron > wrote in
: > Thus spake "Pszemol" > : > >>"ACAR" > wrote in message . >>.. >>> On Sep 25, 7:28 pm, Brian Smith > wrote: >>>> Reggie Dunlop wrote: >>>> >>>> > You must be an academician and/or a Democrat-- avoiding answering >>>> > the question that was asked while managing to inject some holier >>>> > than thou, condescending piety that overall is a put-down ;-) >>>> >>>> Do you have lights in your light switches in your home? If >>>> not >>>> how do >>>> you locate them when you need to turn the lights on in a room when >>>> it's dark? >>> >>> Actually, yes, my light switches are lit. You can have the same >>> after a trip to Home Depot/Lowes. Right next to the illuminated >>> light switches you'll find an array of night lights. I wonder why >>> they sell those to families without young kids? >>> >>> Do you ever lend your car to a friend? Ever drive someone else's >>> car? Ever switch cars with your wife? Maybe there's a reason why >>> other manufacturers manage to illuminate these controls. Face it, >>> Honda is just cutting corners. Like their inability to equip the >>> Accord EX with a power passenger seat. >> >>Another example is the windshield washer fluid bottle. >>Only 2.6 quarts of fluid in the US version. More than a gallon in >>Canadian version. >>Canadian version also has a low fluid level indicator (the bottle has >>a float switch). >>How much did then save in US version doing this ? $10 ? Maybe $50? > > > What??? $10???? Bottle: maybe $1 difference, if THAT much. Float > switch. Onesie pricing is around $.80. Add almost $.10 worth of > wiring. The computer and software are all there. Another $.10 for > wires to the dash, maybe $.18 for an LED. NRE per vehicle probably > ran under $1. > Remember, the US has CAFE. Weight is a BIG issue in CAFE, and every ounce counts. As far as price goes, literally every penny counts too, so over however many tens of thousands of cars, a buck is a huge amount. When I was in the Atlanta Ford plant some years ago, some of the engineers were involved in a many-month, laborious process of changing the vent symbols on the Taurus dash from printed to molded-in. This had turned into a long, drawn-out thing because the tooling company was having trouble getting the symbols rotated "just so" on the molds. The savings from molding versus printing? 18¢ per car. 18¢ was a /very/ significant amount. I was told even /five/ cents would be more than important enough to pursue. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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Tegger wrote:
> Dillon Pyron > wrote in > : > >> Thus spake "Pszemol" > : >> >>> "ACAR" > wrote in message >>> . >>> .. >>>> On Sep 25, 7:28 pm, Brian Smith > wrote: >>>>> Reggie Dunlop wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You must be an academician and/or a Democrat-- avoiding answering >>>>>> the question that was asked while managing to inject some holier >>>>>> than thou, condescending piety that overall is a put-down ;-) >>>>> Do you have lights in your light switches in your home? If >>>>> not >>>>> how do >>>>> you locate them when you need to turn the lights on in a room when >>>>> it's dark? >>>> Actually, yes, my light switches are lit. You can have the same >>>> after a trip to Home Depot/Lowes. Right next to the illuminated >>>> light switches you'll find an array of night lights. I wonder why >>>> they sell those to families without young kids? >>>> >>>> Do you ever lend your car to a friend? Ever drive someone else's >>>> car? Ever switch cars with your wife? Maybe there's a reason why >>>> other manufacturers manage to illuminate these controls. Face it, >>>> Honda is just cutting corners. Like their inability to equip the >>>> Accord EX with a power passenger seat. >>> Another example is the windshield washer fluid bottle. >>> Only 2.6 quarts of fluid in the US version. More than a gallon in >>> Canadian version. >>> Canadian version also has a low fluid level indicator (the bottle has >>> a float switch). >>> How much did then save in US version doing this ? $10 ? Maybe $50? >> >> What??? $10???? Bottle: maybe $1 difference, if THAT much. Float >> switch. Onesie pricing is around $.80. Add almost $.10 worth of >> wiring. The computer and software are all there. Another $.10 for >> wires to the dash, maybe $.18 for an LED. NRE per vehicle probably >> ran under $1. >> > > > > Remember, the US has CAFE. Weight is a BIG issue in CAFE, and every ounce > counts. > > As far as price goes, literally every penny counts too, so over however > many tens of thousands of cars, a buck is a huge amount. When I was in the > Atlanta Ford plant some years ago, some of the engineers were involved in a > many-month, laborious process of changing the vent symbols on the Taurus > dash from printed to molded-in. This had turned into a long, drawn-out > thing because the tooling company was having trouble getting the symbols > rotated "just so" on the molds. The savings from molding versus printing? > 18� per car. 18� was a /very/ significant amount. I was told even /five/ > cents would be more than important enough to pursue. > especially with ford. they are absolutely incredible in the corners they cut. and yet their cars are the same price as /far/ superior product. relentless pursuit of savings - that's why we don't have safety features like amber rear turn signals - cheaper to lobby a politician to keep the nhtsa off their back than it is to pay for a couple of extra bulbs and a few feet of wire. |
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"Pszemol" > wrote in message ... > "Eternal Searcher" > wrote in > message ... >> Pszemol wrote: >> >>> Are there supposed to be any backlight behind these audio controls >>> in 2004 >>> accord coupe EX-L? They look odd at night when dashboard is >>> lighted but >>> steering wheel is pitch black... >> >> You should know where the buttons are located without having to >> divert >> your eyes from the road. So it doesn't matter if they are lit or >> not. > > Maybe in theory this sounds like a good idea... > But I see many cars having the illumination there and there is no > problem. One is always free to purchase one of these many other vehicles if it is so disturbing to not have lighted controls..... |
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"Dillon Pyron" > wrote in message ... > Thus spake "Pszemol" > : > >>"ACAR" > wrote in message ... >>> On Sep 25, 7:28 pm, Brian Smith > wrote: >>>> Reggie Dunlop wrote: >>>> >>>> > You must be an academician and/or a Democrat-- avoiding >>>> > answering the >>>> > question that was asked while managing to inject some holier >>>> > than thou, >>>> > condescending piety that overall is a put-down ;-) >>>> >>>> Do you have lights in your light switches in your home? >>>> If not >>>> how do >>>> you locate them when you need to turn the lights on in a room >>>> when it's >>>> dark? >>> >>> Actually, yes, my light switches are lit. You can have the same >>> after >>> a trip to Home Depot/Lowes. Right next to the illuminated light >>> switches you'll find an array of night lights. I wonder why they >>> sell >>> those to families without young kids? >>> >>> Do you ever lend your car to a friend? Ever drive someone else's >>> car? >>> Ever switch cars with your wife? Maybe there's a reason why other >>> manufacturers manage to illuminate these controls. Face it, Honda >>> is >>> just cutting corners. Like their inability to equip the Accord EX >>> with >>> a power passenger seat. >> >>Another example is the windshield washer fluid bottle. >>Only 2.6 quarts of fluid in the US version. More than a gallon in >>Canadian >>version. >>Canadian version also has a low fluid level indicator (the bottle >>has a >>float switch). >>How much did then save in US version doing this ? $10 ? Maybe $50? > > > What??? $10???? Bottle: maybe $1 difference, if THAT much. Float > switch. Onesie pricing is around $.80. Add almost $.10 worth of > wiring. The computer and software are all there. Another $.10 for > wires to the dash, maybe $.18 for an LED. NRE per vehicle probably > ran under $1. The labor to install is far more costly than the component costs. |
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"Tegger" > wrote in message ... > Dillon Pyron > wrote in > : > >> Thus spake "Pszemol" > : >> >>>"ACAR" > wrote in message . >>>.. >>>> On Sep 25, 7:28 pm, Brian Smith > >>>> wrote: >>>>> Reggie Dunlop wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > You must be an academician and/or a Democrat-- avoiding >>>>> > answering >>>>> > the question that was asked while managing to inject some >>>>> > holier >>>>> > than thou, condescending piety that overall is a put-down ;-) >>>>> >>>>> Do you have lights in your light switches in your home? >>>>> If >>>>> not >>>>> how do >>>>> you locate them when you need to turn the lights on in a room >>>>> when >>>>> it's dark? >>>> >>>> Actually, yes, my light switches are lit. You can have the same >>>> after a trip to Home Depot/Lowes. Right next to the illuminated >>>> light switches you'll find an array of night lights. I wonder why >>>> they sell those to families without young kids? >>>> >>>> Do you ever lend your car to a friend? Ever drive someone else's >>>> car? Ever switch cars with your wife? Maybe there's a reason why >>>> other manufacturers manage to illuminate these controls. Face it, >>>> Honda is just cutting corners. Like their inability to equip the >>>> Accord EX with a power passenger seat. >>> >>>Another example is the windshield washer fluid bottle. >>>Only 2.6 quarts of fluid in the US version. More than a gallon in >>>Canadian version. >>>Canadian version also has a low fluid level indicator (the bottle >>>has >>>a float switch). >>>How much did then save in US version doing this ? $10 ? Maybe $50? >> >> >> What??? $10???? Bottle: maybe $1 difference, if THAT much. Float >> switch. Onesie pricing is around $.80. Add almost $.10 worth of >> wiring. The computer and software are all there. Another $.10 for >> wires to the dash, maybe $.18 for an LED. NRE per vehicle probably >> ran under $1. >> > > > > Remember, the US has CAFE. Weight is a BIG issue in CAFE, and every > ounce > counts. > > As far as price goes, literally every penny counts too, so over > however > many tens of thousands of cars, a buck is a huge amount. When I was > in the > Atlanta Ford plant some years ago, some of the engineers were > involved in a > many-month, laborious process of changing the vent symbols on the > Taurus > dash from printed to molded-in. This had turned into a long, > drawn-out > thing because the tooling company was having trouble getting the > symbols > rotated "just so" on the molds. The savings from molding versus > printing? > 18¢ per car. 18¢ was a /very/ significant amount. I was told even > /five/ > cents would be more than important enough to pursue. The mold tooling alone can be very expensive, depending on the amount of cavities and frame size used. Even for a small machine (30 ton) with a small frame size, they are in excess of $20k.... > > -- > Tegger > > The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ > www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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"Tegger" > wrote in message
... > "Pszemol" > wrote in > : > >> "Tegger" > wrote in message >> ... >>>> Thanks. I was hoping I have some blown fuse or something... >>>> But if this is once again cutting corners, than I have to deal with >>>> it. >>> >>> It's called keeping the cost down. There's always intense pressure in >>> the low and mid-priced markets to cut costs (which keeps the price >>> down). Add to that the huge mandated costs of emissions and safety, >>> and something's got to give. >> >> That would be understandable in the lowest priced trims, but I have >> got EX-L with leather - it is really hard to understand that 5 bulbs >> and one more wire in the harness would be so much savings... > > It's still a Honda and not a Mercedes. It does not sell for Mercedes > money. You do not have to look up at mercedes to find this popular feature... 2004 Honda's Accord direct competitor, 2004 Volkswagen Passat has all this features, including streering wheel illumination, bigger windshield washer fluid bottle and the low fluid sensor... > Plus, if there were not these apparent cheap-outs, there would be no > reason > to upgrade to, say, an Acura, would there? Honda has to try to gently > nudge > buyers upstairs, no? Well, if this is your opinion how Acura should upscale their cars, fine... For me, the proper way would be for Acura to ADD features on top of these which are common in the car segment where Accord is placed and not trying to stand out in comparison with Accord just simply by dumbing down the Accord... For example they could compete with mercedes,bmw,audi,lexus instead of adding features which are already available in simple cars like volkswagen and making a big deal out of it... |
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