OT-Hurricane Denis

Seth Graham wrote:
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> On 2005-07-08, Karls Vladimir Peña > wrote:
> > 229 years actually. Nevertheless, they should know by now. That is the
> > general behaviour for americans.
>
> Up in Anchorage, Alaska there is a residential district fairly near to
> the airport, along the shoreline of the cook inlet. In the 1964 earthquake,
> pretty much the entire area slid into the water, it's almost entirely
> resting on clay/silt deposits. There's a park there now, called earthquake
> park. It's rumored if you dig a little bit you can still find wreckage from
> the ruined homes.
>
> You think that'd be a good hint to not build there, right? Wrong. People
> rebuilt, and it's one of the two main middle class housing areas in the
> city. Still with almost no foundation to speak of, it's a big jello mold
> waiting for another earthquake to break free.
>
> In their defense (sort of), construction code has been updated and homes
> up thataway are much less likely to collapse in on themselves during an
> earthquake, but I fail to see how that will help as the entire area heads
> down to the beach to play in the surf.
>
> When I lived up there, I was in the nice safe foothills of the mountains
> with nice thick rock under my home.

I've been in California when the nice safe foothills of the mountains
were reduced to beachfront mudpiles in the morning, along with the
houses that once stood up there Lemme see now.. 97?

Jan

"Karls Vladimir Peña" > wrote in message
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> 229 years actually. Nevertheless, they should know by now. That is the
> general behaviour for americans. In new york, on very high density areas,
> they use wood, gipsumboard and other fire prone materials even on floors.
> Add to that old gas pipes and a spark, and you got july 4th any time of
> year. A fire in the kitchen is a fire in te whole building in a matter of
> minutes. Only big corporative buildings use REAL fire retardants and that
> is
> because regulations and insurance companies force them to.
>
> Why not build better and pay less insurance? I remember once someone told
> me
> how much he paid for insurance in florida and it was more than the total
> cost of a 120 M2 apartment here, and that's EVERY year!!!
>
> "Jan Andersson" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> You know, this amazes me too. They have lived there for what, 300 years
>> or more?
>> You'd think they would know by now that it's a hurricane prone area and
>> design buildings accordingly
>>
>> I'm so proud to increase the average IQ of both my country and FL when I
>> go there.
>>
>> Jan
>
>
>

Nope, only 186 years. Florida didn't become part of the US until 1819. But
they did have south Alabama and south Mississippi by sometime in the 1790's.
And even as thinly as Georgia/East Georgia/North Carolina were settled, they
must have figured out hurricanes by about 1710 or so there.

BTW, the Spanish settled St. Augustine in 1565, you would have thought they
would have passed along the bit about hurricanes.

Charles of Kankakee

"Charles @ Kankakee" wrote:
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> "Karls Vladimir Peña" > wrote in message
> ...
> > 229 years actually. Nevertheless, they should know by now. That is the
> > general behaviour for americans. In new york, on very high density areas,
> > they use wood, gipsumboard and other fire prone materials even on floors.
> > Add to that old gas pipes and a spark, and you got july 4th any time of
> > year. A fire in the kitchen is a fire in te whole building in a matter of
> > minutes. Only big corporative buildings use REAL fire retardants and that
> > is
> > because regulations and insurance companies force them to.
> >
> > Why not build better and pay less insurance? I remember once someone told
> > me
> > how much he paid for insurance in florida and it was more than the total
> > cost of a 120 M2 apartment here, and that's EVERY year!!!
> >
> > "Jan Andersson" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> You know, this amazes me too. They have lived there for what, 300 years
> >> or more?
> >> You'd think they would know by now that it's a hurricane prone area and
> >> design buildings accordingly
> >>
> >> I'm so proud to increase the average IQ of both my country and FL when I
> >> go there.
> >>
> >> Jan
> >
> >
> >
>
> Nope, only 186 years. Florida didn't become part of the US until 1819.


I meant there were people LIVING there WAY before that. And like you say
below...

> BTW, the Spanish settled St. Augustine in 1565, you would have thought they
> would have passed along the bit about hurricanes.

EXACTLY my point...


The hurricanes were well known way before there ever was United States
Of America.

Jan

Grrrr not again, We just had 2 tropical storms roll over the top of us in
the past month, Ivan hit us 10 months ago. Now Dennins looms on the
horizon. I just got my house boarded up, with the exception of the upper
windows which I am doing today. We stayed in our house for Ivan; which our
house was built in 1940 and is made of concrete block, the upstairs is
framed. We planned on staying in the house, but Uncle Sam is making it
mandatory that we shelter on base in the building in which I work. It was
originally built to double as a bomb shelter in the 1940's. It has 4" thick
solid reinforced concrete walls and no windows - lol the interior walls are
also 4" solid concrete. It survived Camelle 1969 George 1998 Ivan 2004 and
all the other storms.... but then again so did my house. People are getting
crazy buying up wood canned goods water batteries etc. And the traffic
going out of the gulf coast is crazy, gas stations getting low on gas. We
didnt get hit as bad as PCola did last year as we were on the west side of
Ivan and it looks as of now we are going to be on the west side of Dennis.
for those that dont remember Ivan:
http://www.ramva.org/dragenwagen/ivan.html

Secure up those 'wagens Wild Bill, Susan S and anyone else in MS, AL. and
FL!. protect those family members!! Hope all goes well!

My'66 is going under the carport and well, the 69... it will have to ride
the storm out where it is. : (

dw in Biloxi MS.


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"Susan S." > wrote in message
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> Well, once again, here we go. Another fine storm headed directly at my
> house !! LOL
> Sometimes it seems like that. Everyone here is in full panic after
sitting
> through Ivan. The stores are packed with people but empty on food and the
> lines at the gas stations are already down the block, if they have any gas
> left at all. Sad thing is we still have people living in houses with blue
> tarps for roofs from the last storm.
>
> I sat through the last one, headed out of town for this one. Once is
> enough. Pulling out Saturday morning. Just wish my car was running so I
> could at least move it to a safer location.
>
> Say a prayer for us here on the Gulf Coast........I think we're going to
> need it.
>
>
> Susan S.
> Pensacola Fl
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Susan S. wrote:
> Why then am I leaving the area ? Just in case. I've got two kids to think
> of. And no house is worth risking them.

Wise words. Good luck, hope nothing gets hurt!
-Kevin

Alive and well... no damage to report here! 'Wagens made it with out a
scratch. we got gusts up to 50 mph... I think we were spared again. Not so
for Destin.

dw in Biloxi.

Just got power back on. Minor damage. If you watched the Weather Channel
it was all doom and gloom. Just a summer breeze compared to Ivan.
Pensacola was spared at the last minute when Dennis dropped from a Cat 4
to a Cat 3 and then veered to the east. Don't get me wrong it was fairly
intense but that's hurricanes for you very unpredictable.
Having heard but a few reports from club members and they have been
positive ! Thanks for every ones concerns and prayers . Glad t here
evry thing went well Dragenwagen. I talked to Walt in Mobile and he made
it without a scratch. Now we start to watch Emily...sigh it's going to
be a long season!



Be Cool.....AIRCOOLED !!

"Wild" Bill Tucker

President
Rare Air VW Club
Pensacola, Florida




'78 VW Bus ( "Old Rusty" )

'76 Bug "The Grape"

'69 Squareback , Arizona car, Automatic








Rare Air VW Club Website:

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or

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yeah it wasnt too bad here. Good to hear everything went well. now to sit
and watch emily. Yes I left the boards on the house ....just incase.

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1966 Type I - Daily Driver
1969 Type I - Undergoing heater channel replacement
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"Old VW's Don't Leak Oil, They Mark Their Territory."
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"Wild Bill" > wrote in message
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> Just got power back on. Minor damage. If you watched the Weather Channel
> it was all doom and gloom. Just a summer breeze compared to Ivan.
> Pensacola was spared at the last minute when Dennis dropped from a Cat 4
> to a Cat 3 and then veered to the east. Don't get me wrong it was fairly
> intense but that's hurricanes for you very unpredictable.
> Having heard but a few reports from club members and they have been
> positive ! Thanks for every ones concerns and prayers . Glad t here
> evry thing went well Dragenwagen. I talked to Walt in Mobile and he made
> it without a scratch. Now we start to watch Emily...sigh it's going to
> be a long season!
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> Be Cool.....AIRCOOLED !!
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> "Wild" Bill Tucker
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> President
> Rare Air VW Club
> Pensacola, Florida
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> '78 VW Bus ( "Old Rusty" )
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> '76 Bug "The Grape"
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> '69 Squareback , Arizona car, Automatic
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