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In a previous posting, "Bill 2" > had the audacity
to say: :Actually yes they are. They are filled with so much incorrect, incomplete :information that your money is better spent paying a couple bucks more for :the factory service manual. I was actually dumb enough to buy a Haynes manual once, so I actually agree with you and Dan, except for the fact that it's not a "couple" of bucks more for the factory service manual. It's more like $100 more. -- E.R. aka SJG aka Ricardo present location: vancouver bc canada refugee from the european union's evil bureaucracy |
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In article >, newsgroup says:
>Obviously you have not priced any factory service manuals lately. FWIW, Nissan (/Infiniti) has a service where you pay $20 and get 24 hours of access to their entire techpubs library. You then download all the .PDFs you're interested in, and save 'em to CD-ROM. I got my FX' service manual this way, ~40-odd .PDFs spread out over ~200MB. I even printed all gazillion pages in 4-up, duplex (i.e., 8 pages/ sheet) mode- while you can't really do any work in that format (when I needed to check on something, I just printed the appropriate pages normally), it's good as a guide as to where to look. But if you buy the CD, it's $200. -Kenny -- Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Los Angeles H: 3630 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #138, L.A., CA 90034-6809 (310) 391-1898 |
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In article >, newsgroup says:
>Obviously you have not priced any factory service manuals lately. FWIW, Nissan (/Infiniti) has a service where you pay $20 and get 24 hours of access to their entire techpubs library. You then download all the .PDFs you're interested in, and save 'em to CD-ROM. I got my FX' service manual this way, ~40-odd .PDFs spread out over ~200MB. I even printed all gazillion pages in 4-up, duplex (i.e., 8 pages/ sheet) mode- while you can't really do any work in that format (when I needed to check on something, I just printed the appropriate pages normally), it's good as a guide as to where to look. But if you buy the CD, it's $200. -Kenny -- Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Los Angeles H: 3630 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #138, L.A., CA 90034-6809 (310) 391-1898 |
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>>This should be included with every Haynes manual sold:
>>http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html > >While they are not the best choice, they are not quite that bad. There's a huge variation, depending on which model car the Haynes manual is for. Different authors, I guess. For example, the '87 tercel manual is excellent. But the 3-series BMW manual is crap. -Ted |
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>>This should be included with every Haynes manual sold:
>>http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html > >While they are not the best choice, they are not quite that bad. There's a huge variation, depending on which model car the Haynes manual is for. Different authors, I guess. For example, the '87 tercel manual is excellent. But the 3-series BMW manual is crap. -Ted |
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"Bill 2" > wrote in message >...
> "Alex Rodriguez" > wrote in message > > While they are not the best choice, they are not quite that bad. > Actually yes they are. They are filled with so much incorrect, incomplete > information that your money is better spent paying a couple bucks more for > the factory service manual. The Haynes manual for my 1997 Nissan left out the torque specs for my brakes and front suspension, and they kept referring to a "torque member" but never explained what it was. It said that the fuel filter was in the rear, but it was actually in the engine compartment (and it wasn't a matter of the car having two fuel filters). The body information was for a different model (one illustration was for an early 1970s vehicle and even said "Datsun"), and the wiring diagram was labelled "typical," which is a euphemism for "completely different from your car." And when it came to information about the computer codes and fuel/emissions, the Haynes excluded almost everything, and the diagnostic charts for drivability problems seemed to be 100% generic. For example for rough idle they gave the usual hints, like spark, lean mixture, and wrong idle speed, but they mentioned nothing at all about the idle speed regulator. |
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"Bill 2" > wrote in message >...
> "Alex Rodriguez" > wrote in message > > While they are not the best choice, they are not quite that bad. > Actually yes they are. They are filled with so much incorrect, incomplete > information that your money is better spent paying a couple bucks more for > the factory service manual. The Haynes manual for my 1997 Nissan left out the torque specs for my brakes and front suspension, and they kept referring to a "torque member" but never explained what it was. It said that the fuel filter was in the rear, but it was actually in the engine compartment (and it wasn't a matter of the car having two fuel filters). The body information was for a different model (one illustration was for an early 1970s vehicle and even said "Datsun"), and the wiring diagram was labelled "typical," which is a euphemism for "completely different from your car." And when it came to information about the computer codes and fuel/emissions, the Haynes excluded almost everything, and the diagnostic charts for drivability problems seemed to be 100% generic. For example for rough idle they gave the usual hints, like spark, lean mixture, and wrong idle speed, but they mentioned nothing at all about the idle speed regulator. |
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"E.R." > wrote in message ... > In a previous posting, "Bill 2" > had the audacity > to say: > > :Actually yes they are. They are filled with so much incorrect, incomplete > :information that your money is better spent paying a couple bucks more for > :the factory service manual. > > I was actually dumb enough to buy a Haynes manual once, so I > actually agree with you and Dan, except for the fact that it's > not a "couple" of bucks more for the factory service manual. Factor in the money you didn't waste buying wrong parts, or damaging parts following Haynes instructions, lost time following wrong procedures, repairing the hole in the wall from when you were so ****ed off at the book you punched a hole in it, etc. Not typical, but I just did a quick check on Ebay for the FSM for my car and it was $5 "Buy it now" + $5 shipping. The Haynes manual bidding started at $15. New I probably bought the manual for $100-$150, and I can see when the FSM is $400 people look at other options, but I still think Haynes and Chilton's are poor options. > It's more like $100 more. And worth every penny. |
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"E.R." > wrote in message ... > In a previous posting, "Bill 2" > had the audacity > to say: > > :Actually yes they are. They are filled with so much incorrect, incomplete > :information that your money is better spent paying a couple bucks more for > :the factory service manual. > > I was actually dumb enough to buy a Haynes manual once, so I > actually agree with you and Dan, except for the fact that it's > not a "couple" of bucks more for the factory service manual. Factor in the money you didn't waste buying wrong parts, or damaging parts following Haynes instructions, lost time following wrong procedures, repairing the hole in the wall from when you were so ****ed off at the book you punched a hole in it, etc. Not typical, but I just did a quick check on Ebay for the FSM for my car and it was $5 "Buy it now" + $5 shipping. The Haynes manual bidding started at $15. New I probably bought the manual for $100-$150, and I can see when the FSM is $400 people look at other options, but I still think Haynes and Chilton's are poor options. > It's more like $100 more. And worth every penny. |
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