CA Considers HOT Lanes

In article >, Scott en Aztlán wrote:

> I, for one, will never pay to use them. Already the HOV lanes are
> nearly useless because there is always some Sloth blocking it. If more
> people are allowed to use them this will only get worse. Why would
> anyone pay to use a lane that doesn't move any faster than the freebie
> lanes?

Haven't you seen the future?

Interstates 'leased'* to foreign corporations and you'll being paying
tolls for any lane you use. Seems they are getting people used to the
concept of these roads having a toll.

* For 99 years, which is effectively giving them ownership of said roads.

Brent P wrote:
> In article >, Scott en Aztlán wrote:
>
> > I, for one, will never pay to use them. Already the HOV lanes are
> > nearly useless because there is always some Sloth blocking it. If more
> > people are allowed to use them this will only get worse. Why would
> > anyone pay to use a lane that doesn't move any faster than the freebie
> > lanes?
>
> Haven't you seen the future?
>
> Interstates 'leased'* to foreign corporations and you'll being paying
> tolls for any lane you use. Seems they are getting people used to the
> concept of these roads having a toll.
>
> * For 99 years, which is effectively giving them ownership of said roads.

Yup - we pay taxes to build the roads and then the govt sells the roads
to private companies (usually foreign) who then charge us tolls to use
the roads we built!!! Simply unbelievable how corrupt this country now
is - both parties are guilty.

Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Laura Bush
murdered her boy friend said in rec.autos.driving:

> Yup - you suckers pay taxes to build the roads and then my govt sells
> the roads to my friends (usually foreign) who then charge you suckers
> tolls to use the roads you built!!!

There corrected your post and eliminated some unneeded text in the
headers.

> Simply unbelievable how corrupt this country now
> is - both parties are guilty.

No, people like you who keep voting for the two parties are the ones who
are responsible.

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"There's not a shred of evidence that the jerries murdered anything
close to 7 million jooz. Another monstrous lie just like the 9-11
official story. "

-- Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend, 12/01/2004
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In article >, Scott en Aztlán wrote:

> I have no problem with this, provided that said foreign corporation
> also pays to BUILD the road. I'm even cool with it if the corporation
> sells bonds to finance road construction and pays the bonds off with
> toll revenue. But using taxpayer money to build a freeway and then
> selling it to a private company for use as a toll road is bull****.

It works the later way... the taxpayers built it, either through taxes or
tolls and then it's 'leased' to a private, foreign corporation.

(See chicago skyway, Indiana toll roads, and the new texas toll roads to
be given to a foreign corporation, via the SPP)

necromancer wrote:
> Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Laura Bush
> murdered her boy friend said in rec.autos.driving:
>
> > Yup - you suckers pay taxes to build the roads and then my govt sells
> > the roads to my friends (usually foreign) who then charge you suckers
> > tolls to use the roads you built!!!
>
> There corrected your post and eliminated some unneeded text in the
> headers.
>
> > Simply unbelievable how corrupt this country now
> > is - both parties are guilty.
>
> No, people like you who keep voting for the two parties are the ones who
> are responsible.
>
> --
> --
(bit o'snip)

It would be nice if someone would RUN in a 3rd party or
independent...AND the stupid "I voted this ticket 'cause we've ALWAYS
voted that way" losers would actually take the alternatives seriously.

Brent:
What difference does it make if the firm leasing the lane is foreign or
domestic as long as the bidding was proper and rent / taxes are paid
the same as a domestic firm would do?
You got something against foreigners or are you mad that domestic firms
were too cheap to bid higher?

"Studeman" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Brent:
> What difference does it make if the firm leasing the lane is foreign or
> domestic as long as the bidding was proper and rent / taxes are paid
> the same as a domestic firm would do?

I can't answer for Brent. But I know it ****es me off to know that billions
of dollars of my tax money were spent to build infrastructure to line the
pockets of some foreign corporation. -Dave

In article .com>, Studeman wrote:
> Brent:
> What difference does it make if the firm leasing the lane is foreign or
> domestic as long as the bidding was proper and rent / taxes are paid
> the same as a domestic firm would do?
> You got something against foreigners or are you mad that domestic firms
> were too cheap to bid higher?

We the people, the taxpayers paid to build these roads. Then they are
effectively sold off to connected companies. It's also not always for
bid either. Do you think that it's good that are taxpayer funded
infastructure is being controlled by foreign corporations that are often
owned in part or in whole by foreign _governments_? Do you think it's
wise that the Panama canal and several US ports are controlled by a
chinese company that is connected to China's intelligence services and
military? A company that was already caught bringing in AK47s for street
gangs? Do you think it's acceptable for government to sieze your land to
give it to a corporation to build a for-profit road?

And another thing.... once the roads are private, the government gets
huge effective end run around our constitutional protections.

What we are seeing is the next wave of corporate take over of government.
Government so corrupt it's selling off the infastructure.

Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Studeman said in
rec.autos.driving:
> What difference does it make if the firm leasing the lane is foreign or
> domestic as long as the bidding was proper and rent / taxes are paid
> the same as a domestic firm would do?

IIRC, we are talking about roads built with tax payer funds being
"leased," - hell, a 99 year lease; let's call it what it is: "sold," -
to a foreign entity who will have free reign to gouge those same
taxpayers at will if they want to use the road. The alternative will be
substandard secondary roads that the taxpayers can't upgrade due to
clauses in the lease of the primary road, so effectively, they will
*have* to use the invader owned road.

> You got something against foreigners or are you mad that domestic firms
> were too cheap to bid higher?

And what if the company is later found to have ties to al-queda or
another similar organization? What if one of our enemies takes over
Spain (where this company is based, if I recall) nationalizes the
company?

So, yes I do have something against foreigners holding control over all
or part of our nation's infrastructure.

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"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to
purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve
neither Liberty nor Safety."
--Benjamin Franklin

"necromancer" > wrote in message
th.net...
> Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Studeman said in
> rec.autos.driving:
>> What difference does it make if the firm leasing the lane is foreign or
>> domestic as long as the bidding was proper and rent / taxes are paid
>> the same as a domestic firm would do?
>
> IIRC, we are talking about roads built with tax payer funds being
> "leased," - hell, a 99 year lease; let's call it what it is: "sold," -
> to a foreign entity who will have free reign to gouge those same
> taxpayers at will if they want to use the road. The alternative will be
> substandard secondary roads that the taxpayers can't upgrade due to
> clauses in the lease of the primary road, so effectively, they will
> *have* to use the invader owned road.
>
>> You got something against foreigners or are you mad that domestic firms
>> were too cheap to bid higher?
>
> And what if the company is later found to have ties to al-queda or
> another similar organization?

Good point. But you forgot to add: The Interstate system was originally
constructed for national defense purposes. Wouldn't it be ironic if some of
our primary DEFENSE infrastructure was controlled by Al-Queda??? -Dave