Braking in New Handbrake shoes and Disks

In article <1110487828.211c6013eff02f18205c06914f09b2e3@teran ews>,
Ignasi Palou-Rivera > wrote:
> Then there were my grad school roommates not being too fond on me using
> the handbrake to park the car at an angle when we got a lot of snow
> around...


Handbrake turns. :-) I can do these in a deserted wet carpark with two
fingers on my other car, but nothing on the E39. And it's not down to the
DSC, either.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Jeff, you forgot something - you don't HAVE a manual transmission 2-ton
car that develops over 300 lb-ft at 3000 rpm.

Actually, I wasn't saying anything about my life being less simple
because of the need to use the handbrake - it's actually SIMPLER,
because of the handbrake.

"Ignasi Palou-Rivera" > wrote in message
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> "Dave Plowman (News)" > writes:
>> In article >,
>> Jeff Strickland > wrote:
>>> Sorry, I have done all of those things. And I do them with out resorting
>>> to using the handbrake. I just don't understand the problem, I have no
>>> trouble drving my car in these condidions. I have to admit, I seldom
>>> find myslef in these situations, except that the local supermarket
>>> driveway is a relatively steep hill. But, I have no problem whenever I
>>> do find myself in the situations you describe. Sorry that my life is so
>>> simple.
>>
>> If you're saying you live in a flat part of the world, I'm not surprised
>> you find the handbrake ok.
>
> For some strange "cultural" reason people here in the US are very
> adverse to using the hand brake. (They even call it the parking
> brake. Sheesh.)
>
> My own wife (American) freaks out when I used it to hold her car on
> the ramp to move out of the underground garage in our building. She
> feels more comfortable if I hold the car using the clutch! It doesn't make
> sense.
>
> Then there were my grad school roommates not being too fond on me using
> the handbrake to park the car at an angle when we got a lot of snow
> around...
>

I hold my car with the BRAKES. I take my foot off the brake and place it on
the gas, and go. What's the big deal?

Yes I do. Well, I don't know what the weight is, but the trans is a 5 spd. I
also drive a Jeep with a manual trans, and I stall it on VERY steep hills,
and I have never used the manual brake as a hill holder. Ever. I am not even
sure the manual brake on my Jeep works, but I don't care that it works or
not, I never use it.




"Michael Low" > wrote in message
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> Jeff, you forgot something - you don't HAVE a manual transmission 2-ton
> car that develops over 300 lb-ft at 3000 rpm.
>
> Actually, I wasn't saying anything about my life being less simple
> because of the need to use the handbrake - it's actually SIMPLER,
> because of the handbrake.
>

"Dave Plowman (News)" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Jeff Strickland > wrote:
>> I am not a good source of discussion on using the parking brake as a
>> hill holder because I can safely say that I never do that. I am sure I
>> have done it a time or two while playing in my car, but I do not make it
>> a practice.
>
> It's the recognised way of doing a hill start - as taught in the UK. Do it
> any other way and you'd fail your driving test.
>

The only rule we have is that the vehicle can't roll backwards. I can start
on a hill without rolling backwards and without using the parking brake as a
hill holder.




>> > Its use as an emergency brake became redundant after dual circuit
>> > brakes came in.
>> >
>> > With an auto, the problem is not great. But with a manual, doing hill
>> > starts on a steep hill would be a real pain.
>
>> Only for people that don't know how to drive.
>
> I'd dispute that. 'Heel and toeing' isn't for everyone, and isn't
> practical on some vehicles. Or for some with small feet, etc.
>

Did I say one word about heel & toe driving? No.




>> As I said, I never use the parking brake as a hill holder.
>
> Fine. You'll not find any authority on save driving who agrees with you.
> And you're tacitly admitting the BMW handbrake isn't up to it.
>

I am admitting nothing of the sort. Indeed, I have repeatedly said that the
parking brake is well suited to keep a stationary car stationary. That is
all it is good for. If yo have to use to as a hill holder, it should work
well. I don't need that kind of crutch.

In article >,
Jeff Strickland > wrote:
> > I'd dispute that. 'Heel and toeing' isn't for everyone, and isn't
> > practical on some vehicles. Or for some with small feet, etc.
> >

> Did I say one word about heel & toe driving? No.


I'm not quite sure how you can start a manual on a steep hill - without
rolling back - and without either the handbrake or heel and toeing?

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"Jeff Strickland" > writes:
> I hold my car with the BRAKES. I take my foot off the brake and place
> it on the gas, and go. What's the big deal?

It is not a good method and it doesn't work in all circumstances, like
extreme or slippery slopes.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" > writes:
> In article >,
> Jeff Strickland > wrote:
>> > I'd dispute that. 'Heel and toeing' isn't for everyone, and isn't
>> > practical on some vehicles. Or for some with small feet, etc.
>> >
>
>> Did I say one word about heel & toe driving? No.
>
>
> I'm not quite sure how you can start a manual on a steep hill - without
> rolling back - and without either the handbrake or heel and toeing?

If conditions are right, it's quite possible. If some thing is not
(e.g. slightly slippery pedal) then it's a crapshot.

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In article <1110579186.aaaf9255617b3e5f06b4a46f5db1a904@teran ews>,
Ignasi Palou-Rivera > wrote:
> >> > I'd dispute that. 'Heel and toeing' isn't for everyone, and isn't
> >> > practical on some vehicles. Or for some with small feet, etc.
> >> >
> >
> >> Did I say one word about heel & toe driving? No.
> >
> >
> > I'm not quite sure how you can start a manual on a steep hill - without
> > rolling back - and without either the handbrake or heel and toeing?

> If conditions are right, it's quite possible. If some thing is not
> (e.g. slightly slippery pedal) then it's a crapshot.

I suppose with many modern cars that control the idle via a stepping motor
etc it won't stall if you let up the clutch while holding it on the
footbrake, but it still goes against best driving practice to me.

Of course, I learned to drive in a 28 bhp sidevalve Morris Minor, and
such tricks were not an option. ;-) Indeed, my hill start during my
driving test was on a 1 in 3 hill, where the car wouldn't pull anything
above 1st gear.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Isn't the "manual brake" in a Jeep a footbrake?

So what is the 5-speed manual that you say is an equivalent 2-ton car?